X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:55:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.4) with ESMTP id 4163980 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:55:21 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.42; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o2CMsZUV017560 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:35 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.beb.623fb2aa (55732) for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from magic-m26.mail.aol.com (magic-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.199]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD037-d9b44b9ac626395; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:30 -0500 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <1b250.7736a6a8.38cc2026@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:30 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Tires for a 360 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1b250.7736a6a8.38cc2026_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 155 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 67.175.242.202 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_1b250.7736a6a8.38cc2026_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Bill, =20 Ahh! Everything should be checked for experimental suitability. The Chi= n=20 tires have a limitation of "Not for Highway Use" - I guess they were ok= =20 for runway use. The Desser tires were meant for LSAs and, if I remember= =20 correctly, have a limitation of "not for use over 65 mph". The Chins had= a max=20 psi of 70 that was later raised to 90. Remember that an 8-ply rating doe= s=20 not mean 8 plies, only that it meets the standard of "durability" that an= =20 actual 8 ply tire would meet. I don't remember the pressure restriction= on=20 the Dessers. =20 What tire is actually suitable for the grocery cart 5-inch wheels that we= =20 use? The Chin tires, if under inflated, wore the side walls of the tubes= =20 leading to pin holes that caused flats. Europeans discovered a solution= by=20 over inflating Lancair's recommendations by about 10 psi. The result was= =20 no more mysterious flats.=20 =20 The last Chin tire I took off a main was worn to the valleys between the= =20 treads. I could not believe how thin the remaining tire felt............= ... =20 I always make "firm" landings (TK5's take the pain away). I am quite =20 comfortable with the Desser tire and its stiffer composition along with = its=20 thicker inner tubes. =20 Here is some weird info: =20 For unmounted (no pressure) tires, the Chins have a tread depth of 3.5mm= =20 whilst the Dessers are 4.0mm. My current Dessers have suffered 45 takeoff= s =20 and landings and the mains have a tread depth of 3mm while the nose is at= =20 3+mm. Too bad I didn't measure the tread depth when they were newly moun= ted=20 and pressurized. =20 Scott =20 PS My landing technique it more like the plopping of a tired moose after= =20 jumping off a cliff rather than a butterfly in a tutu.=20 =20 =20 In a message dated 3/12/2010 12:55:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, =20 bbradburry@bellsouth.net writes: =20 =20 Those tires have a load rating of 500 pounds! With two of them you can= =20 put 1000 pounds on the mains=E2=80=A6.are you saying that you always land= like a=20 butterfly with sore feet???!!!=20 Bill B=20 =20 ____________________________________ =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 Sky2high@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:47 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Tires for a 360=20 =20 Egads! Yes, it is as Bucky said. Aero Classic 11-400-5 at 39.95 and TU= =20 11/400-5 tubes at 10.95 (they include a packet of talc).=20 =20 =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 3/12/2010 5:16:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 Sky2high@aol.com writes: =20 Randy, =20 =20 I have switched to Desser tires (_http://www.desser.com/aerotires.shtml_= =20 (http://www.desser.com/aerotires.shtml) ) and I think they are the Aero= =20 Classic 400-4. The next time I go to the airport I will call you. They= wear=20 much better (harder rubber) than Chins. =20 =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 3/11/2010 9:34:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 randy@aoaircrafters.com writes: =20 I have just completed my Annual Condition Inspection on my 360 and am=20 surprised that I need new tires. I have logged only 80 hours on my most= recent=20 set of tires (mains) and have very little tread left on both right and=20 left sides. I will now purchase another set of tires but I am not sure= if I=20 should get another set of the Cheng Shin tires (around $18 each) or if I= =20 should throw more dollars at some better tires, if any are available. Wh= at=20 I am curious about is what options I might have and what any of the other= =20 300 series owners have for tire-wear experience. The tires are 11x4-5's= and=20 I haven't seen that exact size with the other tire manufacturers so maybe= =20 I don't understand the numbering scheme. Any help or experience would be= g reat.=20 Randy Hartman=20 N360DE - 210 hours --part1_1b250.7736a6a8.38cc2026_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Bill,
 
Ahh!  Everything should be checked for=20 experimental suitability.  The Chin tires have a limitation of= "Not=20 for Highway Use" - I guess they were ok for runway use.  The Desser= tires=20 were meant for LSAs and, if I remember correctly, have a limitation of&nbs= p;"not=20 for use over 65 mph".  The Chins had a max psi of 70 that was later= raised=20 to 90.  Remember that an 8-ply rating does not mean 8 plies, only tha= t it=20 meets the standard of "durability" that an actual 8 ply tire would=20 meet.  I don't remember the pressure restriction on the Dessers.
 
What tire is actually suitable for the grocery cart 5-inch wheel= s that=20 we use?  The Chin tires, if under inflated, wore the side walls of th= e=20 tubes leading to pin holes that caused flats.  Europeans discove= red a=20 solution by over inflating Lancair's recommendations by about 10 psi. = ; The=20 result was no more mysterious flats.
 
The last Chin tire I took off a main was worn to the valleys bet= ween=20 the treads.  I could not believe how thin the remaining tire=20 felt...............
 
I always make "firm" landings (TK5's take the pain away).  I am= quite=20 comfortable with the Desser tire and its stiffer composition along with=20 its thicker inner tubes.
 
Here is some weird info:
 
For unmounted (no pressure) tires, the Chins have a tread depth of 3.= 5mm=20 whilst the Dessers are 4.0mm.  My current Dessers have suffered 45 ta= keoffs=20 and landings and the mains have a tread depth of 3mm while the nose is at= =20 3+mm.  Too bad I didn't measure the tread depth when they were n= ewly=20 mounted and pressurized.
 
Scott
 
PS My landing technique it more like the plopping of a= tired=20 moose after jumping off a cliff rather than a butterfly in a=20 tutu. 
 
In a message dated 3/12/2010 12:55:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 bbradburry@bellsouth.net writes:

Those tires= have a=20 load rating of 500 pounds!  With two of them you can put 1000 pound= s on=20 the mains=E2=80=A6.are you saying that you always land like a butterfly= with sore=20 feet???!!!

 =

Bill=20 B 

 =

From: L= ancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]=20 On Behalf Of Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:47=20 AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subjec= t: [LML] Re: Tires for a=20 360

Egads! = ; Yes, it=20 is as Bucky said.  Aero Classic 11-400-5 at 39.95 and TU 11/400-5= tubes=20 at 10.95 (they include a packet of talc).

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Scott=20 Krueger

 =

In a messag= e dated=20 3/12/2010 5:16:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, Sky2high@aol.com=20 writes:

Randy,<= o:p>

 <= o:p>

I have= switched to=20 Desser tires (http://www.desser.com/aero= tires.shtml)=20 and I think they are the Aero Classic 400-4.  The next time= I go=20 to the airport I will call you.  They wear much better (harder ru= bber)=20 than Chins.

 <= o:p>

Scott= =20 Krueger

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In a me= ssage dated=20 3/11/2010 9:34:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, randy@aoaircrafters.com= =20 writes:

I have just= completed my Annual=20 Condition Inspection on my 360 and am surprised that I need new=20 tires.  I have logged only 80 hours on my most recent set of ti= res=20 (mains) and have very little tread left on both right and left=20 sides.  I will now purchase another set of tires  but I am= not=20 sure if I should get another set of the Cheng Shin tires (around $18= each)=20 or if I should throw more dollars at some better tires, if any are= =20 available.  What I am curious about is what options I might hav= e and=20 what any of the other 300 series owners have for tire-wear=20 experience.  The tires are 11x4-5's and I haven't seen that exa= ct=20 size with the other tire manufacturers so maybe I don't understand= the=20 numbering scheme.  Any help or experience would be=20 great.

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Randy=20 Hartman

N360DE - 210= =20 hours

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