X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:54:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.144] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3811888 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:37:00 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.144; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7DEaFt9013626 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:36:15 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.cbf.4201f8f6 (55486) for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.154]) by cia-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD012-d4134a8424d4178; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:36:09 -0400 Received: from Webmail-mg05 (webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.153]) by smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD011-d4134a8424d4178; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:36:04 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Fly in primer? X-Original-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:36:04 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 66.220.125.187 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBEA3A858BC681_B38_1A1A_Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Received: from 66.220.125.187 by Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:36:04 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CBEA3A8568032C-B38-C86@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CBEA3A858BC681_B38_1A1A_Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Ralf, You=C2=A0 will likely have a heavy wing condition requiring incidence adju= stment.=20 Jeff What kind of problems should I expect (especially since it flew before) an= d what are your thoughts about this =E2=80=93 It would require me to disas= semble, assemble and adjust everything thouroughly, test it, disassemble= for paint and assemble again. Thanks for your input -----Original Message----- From: bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11 pm Subject: [LML] Fly in primer? Dear subscribers, =C2=A0 Talking to some friends there is one question where I would like to get mo= re input: Should fly my plane fly in primer or should I paint it before? History: It was a used plane with approx. 250 hrs, 10 years old and in a bad condit= ion It had cracks on the outside, screws showing through the filler, and gaps= around the gear doors of almost one inch and a door that was absolutely= not working right. I removed tons of filler on the outside and a large area of foam on the be= lly that was not sticking to the carbon very good. I removed numerous scre= ws in fuselage that were turning when I turned the nut on the other side. We added areas of carbon to avoid cracks above the wings. I slotted all sc= rews that I used through the carbon before floxing them in and put one lay= er of glass or carbon over every head. We rebuild the whole gear door and= step area. My friend that was helping me has 20 years of composite experie nce with certified airplanes. I can say we tried to fix everything that lo= oked somehow suspicious and did not take any shortcuts. I am almost to the point where I got everything primed and mounted to the= plane to check for interference and functionality but none of my bolts ar= e reliable tight. I got all my metal parts cleaned up anodized, nickel pla= ted or primed again. Almost everything looks like new again. I was plannin= g to take everything apart again and paint it. I do not want to paint it= in an assembled condition because it would drive me nuts having paint in= spots where it does not belong (sorry, I know I am difficult). A friend mentioned the plane should fly in primer first to fix problems ea= sier. What kind of problems should I expect (especially since it flew befo= re) and what are your thoughts about this =E2=80=93 It would require me to= disassemble, assemble and adjust everything thouroughly, test it, disasse= mble for paint and assemble again. Thanks for your input =C2=A0 Ralf Bronnenmeier Phone: (419) 369 12 33 E-mail: bronnenmeier@grobsystems.com =C2=A0 -- or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CBEA3A858BC681_B38_1A1A_Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Ralf,
 
You  will likely have a heavy wing condition requiring incidence= adjustment.
Jeff
What kind of problems should I expect (especially since it flew before)= and what are your thoughts about this =E2=80=93 It would require me to di= sassemble, assemble and adjust everything thouroughly, test it, disassembl= e for paint and assemble again.
Thanks for your input



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From: bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11 pm
Subject: [LML] Fly in primer?

Dear subscribers,
 
Talking to some friends there is one question= where I would like to get more input:
Should fly my plane fly in primer or should= I paint it before?
History:
It was a used plane with approx. 250 hrs, 10= years old and in a bad condition
It had cracks on the outside, screws showing= through the filler, and gaps around the gear doors of almost one inch and= a door that was absolutely not working right.
=3D0 A
I removed tons of filler on the outside and= a large area of foam on the belly that was not sticking to the carbon ver= y good. I removed numerous screws in fuselage that were turning when I tur= ned the nut on the other side.
We added areas of carbon to avoid cracks abov= e the wings. I slotted all screws that I used through the carbon before fl= oxing them in and put one layer of glass or carbon over every head. We reb= uild the whole gear door and step area.
My friend that was helping me has 20 years of= composite experience with certified airplanes. I can say we tried to fix= everything that looked somehow suspicious and did not take any shortcuts.=
I am almost to the point where I got everythi= ng primed and mounted to the plane to check for interference and functiona= lity but none of my bolts are reliable tight. I got all my metal parts cle= aned up anodized, nickel plated or primed again. Almost everything looks= like new again. I was planning to take everything apart again and paint= it. I do not want to paint it in an assembled condition because it would= drive me nuts having paint i n spots where it does not belong (sorry, I know I am difficult).
A friend mentioned the plane should fly in pr= imer first to fix problems easier. What kind of problems should I expect= (especially since it flew before) and what are your thoughts about this= =E2=80=93 It would require me to disassemble, assemble and adjust everyth= ing thouroughly, test it, disassemble for paint and assemble again.=
Thanks for your input
 
Ralf Bronnenmeier
Phone: (419) 369 12 33
E-mail: bronnenmeier@grobsystems.com
 

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