X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:58:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3811398 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:36:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.179; envelope-from=donkarich@gmail.com Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so397818vws.25 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:35:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sgU2H/pvvH+mNJ0FCirsjgKapceoX3XvrXloOd1chxLpxJZm68yX/q+mCP8nmW1GeD Jm4yFc+OMpf1DsrQeWkYaq4h0nX1TGdstmzfwpvrRyIYtr/vAqe02mU/CldTqy+Y3dsc Q6TGqm6h9dlbe6/2ldvqVIsp6csUVm0qq8hwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.10.194 with SMTP id q2mr707904vcq.85.1250127349298; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:35:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:35:49 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <273b51e60908121835q1db11027yc34348b44711c04@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fly in primer? From: Don Karich X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485ec14b09437860470fbf4bd --001485ec14b09437860470fbf4bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you decide to hold off on paint until later, be sure you pick a nice primer color because you may be looking at it a lot longer than you think. I'd paint now On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM, swaid rahn wrote= : > Hi Ralf, its nice to see someone spend the time, effort and money to > maintain the proper standards of aircraft maintenance. One suggestion is = to > go ahead and paint it while you have it apart especially since it has > already flown. You might think about a paint system like Jet-Glow that yo= u > can come back and easily do a blow-in and buff if you need to do a > repair. When I worked at Gulfstream Aerospace I witnessed the paint shop > touch up paint in an area on the side of the fuselage and buff it 3 hours > later! You could not tell it was repainted and it was beautiful. Customer= s > there literally spent millions on paint and interior, its all first class > and perfect. People will judge you by the cosmetic appearance of your wor= k > even if mechanically its perfect. I know this because i am in the aircraf= t > maintenance business. > Good Luck, > Swaid (fixnflyr) > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM, wrote: > >> Dear subscribers, >> >> >> >> Talking to some friends there is one question where I would like to get >> more input: >> >> Should fly my plane fly in primer or should I paint it before? >> >> History: >> >> It was a used plane with approx. 250 hrs, 10 years old and in a bad >> condition >> >> It had cracks on the outside, screws showing through the filler, and gap= s >> around the gear doors of almost one inch and a door that was absolutely = not >> working right. >> >> I removed tons of filler on the outside and a large area of foam on the >> belly that was not sticking to the carbon very good. I removed numerous >> screws in fuselage that were turning when I turned the nut on the other >> side. >> >> We added areas of carbon to avoid cracks above the wings. I slotted all >> screws that I used through the carbon before floxing them in and put one >> layer of glass or carbon over every head. We rebuild the whole gear door= and >> step area. >> >> My friend that was helping me has 20 years of composite experience with >> certified airplanes. I can say we tried to fix everything that looked >> somehow suspicious and did not take any shortcuts. >> >> I am almost to the point where I got everything primed and mounted to th= e >> plane to check for interference and functionality but none of my bolts a= re >> reliable tight. I got all my metal parts cleaned up anodized, nickel pla= ted >> or primed again. Almost everything looks like new again. I was planning = to >> take everything apart again and paint it. I do not want to paint it in a= n >> assembled condition because it would drive me nuts having paint in spots >> where it does not belong (sorry, I know I am difficult). >> >> A friend mentioned the plane should fly in primer first to fix problems >> easier. What kind of problems should I expect (especially since it flew >> before) and what are your thoughts about this =96 It would require me to >> disassemble, assemble and adjust everything thouroughly, test it, >> disassemble for paint and assemble again. >> >> Thanks for your input >> >> >> >> Ralf Bronnenmeier >> >> Phone: (419) 369 12 33 >> >> E-mail: bronnenmeier@grobsystems.com >> >> >> >> -- >> For archives and unsub >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >> >> > --001485ec14b09437860470fbf4bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you decide to hold off on paint until later, be sure you pick a nice pri= mer color because you may be looking at it a lot longer than you think. I&#= 39;d paint now

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM, swaid rahn <indigoaviatio= n@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ralf, its nice to see someone spend the time, effort and money to m= aintain the proper standards of aircraft maintenance. One suggestion is to = go ahead and paint it while you have it apart especially since it has alrea= dy flown. You might think about a paint system like Jet-Glow that you can c= ome back and easily do a blow-in and buff if you need to do a repair.=A0Whe= n I worked at Gulfstream Aerospace I witnessed the paint shop touch up pain= t in an area on the side of the fuselage and buff it 3 hours later! You cou= ld not tell it was repainted and it was beautiful. Customers there literall= y spent millions on paint and interior, its all first class and perfect. Pe= ople will judge you by the cosmetic appearance of your work even if mechani= cally its perfect. I know this because i am in the aircraft maintenance bus= iness.
Good Luck,
Swaid (fixnflyr)

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM, <bronnenmeie= r@grobsystems.com> wrote:

Dear subscribers,

=A0

Talking to some friends there is one question where I would lik= e to get more input:

Should fly my plane fly in primer or should I paint it before?<= /span>

History:

It was a used plane with approx. 250 hrs, 10 years old and in a= bad condition

It had cracks on the outside, screws showing through the filler= , and gaps around the gear doors of almost one inch and a door that was abs= olutely not working right.

I removed tons of filler on the outside and a large area of foa= m on the belly that was not sticking to the carbon very good. I removed num= erous screws in fuselage that were turning when I turned the nut on the oth= er side.

We added areas of carbon to avoid cracks above the wings. I slo= tted all screws that I used through the carbon before floxing them in and p= ut one layer of glass or carbon over every head. We rebuild the whole gear = door and step area.

My friend that was helping me has 20 years of composite experie= nce with certified airplanes. I can say we tried to fix everything that loo= ked somehow suspicious and did not take any shortcuts.

I am almost to the point where I got everything primed and moun= ted to the plane to check for interference and functionality but none of my= bolts are reliable tight. I got all my metal parts cleaned up anodized, ni= ckel plated or primed again. Almost everything looks like new again. I was = planning to take everything apart again and paint it. I do not want to pain= t it in an assembled condition because it would drive me nuts having paint = in spots where it does not belong (sorry, I know I am difficult).

A friend mentioned the plane should fly in primer first to fix = problems easier. What kind of problems should I expect (especially since it= flew before) and what are your thoughts about this =96 It would require me= to disassemble, assemble and adjust everything thouroughly, test it, disas= semble for paint and assemble again.

Thanks for your input

=A0

Ralf Bronnenmeier

Phone: (419) 369 12 33

E-mail: bronnenmeier@grobsystems.com

=A0


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