X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:25:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3811253 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:01:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.179; envelope-from=indigoaviation@gmail.com Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so359408vws.25 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:00:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qMQXK71AD3mD5B+r0ckj37A0h1H7c9GR0C5LCqLFJ7NPvpIyiUf0ee3k9y/OaBo59C Fk4nDAdmKLsSLBHNI0tl2iLbhRcgxcIudsSYndMqknHFqDfEN+iUWsixv3WrVbR7a5iB qiWEnw/1bMHqlqyBsAxwOm0OxB2LAkcMm811w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.94.16 with SMTP id x16mr652352vcm.74.1250121629608; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:00:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:00:29 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Fly in primer? From: swaid rahn X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630eff3a8abf10470fa9f53 --00163630eff3a8abf10470fa9f53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ralf, its nice to see someone spend the time, effort and money to maintain the proper standards of aircraft maintenance. One suggestion is to go ahead and paint it while you have it apart especially since it has already flown. You might think about a paint system like Jet-Glow that you can come back and easily do a blow-in and buff if you need to do a repair. When I worked at Gulfstream Aerospace I witnessed the paint shop touch up paint in an area on the side of the fuselage and buff it 3 hours later! You could not tell it was repainted and it was beautiful. Customers there literally spent millions on paint and interior, its all first class and perfect. People will judge you by the cosmetic appearance of your work even if mechanically its perfect. I know this because i am in the aircraft maintenance business. Good Luck, Swaid (fixnflyr) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM, wrote: > Dear subscribers, > > > > Talking to some friends there is one question where I would like to get > more input: > > Should fly my plane fly in primer or should I paint it before? > > History: > > It was a used plane with approx. 250 hrs, 10 years old and in a bad > condition > > It had cracks on the outside, screws showing through the filler, and gaps > around the gear doors of almost one inch and a door that was absolutely n= ot > working right. > > I removed tons of filler on the outside and a large area of foam on the > belly that was not sticking to the carbon very good. I removed numerous > screws in fuselage that were turning when I turned the nut on the other > side. > > We added areas of carbon to avoid cracks above the wings. I slotted all > screws that I used through the carbon before floxing them in and put one > layer of glass or carbon over every head. We rebuild the whole gear door = and > step area. > > My friend that was helping me has 20 years of composite experience with > certified airplanes. I can say we tried to fix everything that looked > somehow suspicious and did not take any shortcuts. > > I am almost to the point where I got everything primed and mounted to the > plane to check for interference and functionality but none of my bolts ar= e > reliable tight. I got all my metal parts cleaned up anodized, nickel plat= ed > or primed again. Almost everything looks like new again. I was planning t= o > take everything apart again and paint it. I do not want to paint it in an > assembled condition because it would drive me nuts having paint in spots > where it does not belong (sorry, I know I am difficult). > > A friend mentioned the plane should fly in primer first to fix problems > easier. What kind of problems should I expect (especially since it flew > before) and what are your thoughts about this =96 It would require me to > disassemble, assemble and adjust everything thouroughly, test it, > disassemble for paint and assemble again. > > Thanks for your input > > > > Ralf Bronnenmeier > > Phone: (419) 369 12 33 > > E-mail: bronnenmeier@grobsystems.com > > > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > --00163630eff3a8abf10470fa9f53 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ralf, its nice to see someone spend the time, effort and money to m= aintain the proper standards of aircraft maintenance. One suggestion is to = go ahead and paint it while you have it apart especially since it has alrea= dy flown. You might think about a paint system like Jet-Glow that you can c= ome back and easily do a blow-in and buff if you need to do a repair.=A0Whe= n I worked at Gulfstream Aerospace I witnessed the paint shop touch up pain= t in an area on the side of the fuselage and buff it 3 hours later! You cou= ld not tell it was repainted and it was beautiful. Customers there literall= y spent millions on paint and interior, its all first class and perfect. Pe= ople will judge you by the cosmetic appearance of your work even if mechani= cally its perfect. I know this because i am in the aircraft maintenance bus= iness.
Good Luck,
Swaid (fixnflyr)

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM, <bronnenmeier@grobsys= tems.com> wrote:

Dear subscribers,

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Talking to some friends there is one question where I would lik= e to get more input:

Should fly my plane fly in primer or should I paint it before?<= /span>

History:

It was a used plane with approx. 250 hrs, 10 years old and in a= bad condition

It had cracks on the outside, screws showing through the filler= , and gaps around the gear doors of almost one inch and a door that was abs= olutely not working right.

I removed tons of filler on the outside and a large area of foa= m on the belly that was not sticking to the carbon very good. I removed num= erous screws in fuselage that were turning when I turned the nut on the oth= er side.

We added areas of carbon to avoid cracks above the wings. I slo= tted all screws that I used through the carbon before floxing them in and p= ut one layer of glass or carbon over every head. We rebuild the whole gear = door and step area.

My friend that was helping me has 20 years of composite experie= nce with certified airplanes. I can say we tried to fix everything that loo= ked somehow suspicious and did not take any shortcuts.

I am almost to the point where I got everything primed and moun= ted to the plane to check for interference and functionality but none of my= bolts are reliable tight. I got all my metal parts cleaned up anodized, ni= ckel plated or primed again. Almost everything looks like new again. I was = planning to take everything apart again and paint it. I do not want to pain= t it in an assembled condition because it would drive me nuts having paint = in spots where it does not belong (sorry, I know I am difficult).

A friend mentioned the plane should fly in primer first to fix = problems easier. What kind of problems should I expect (especially since it= flew before) and what are your thoughts about this =96 It would require me= to disassemble, assemble and adjust everything thouroughly, test it, disas= semble for paint and assemble again.

Thanks for your input

=A0

Ralf Bronnenmeier

Phone: (419) 369 12 33

E-mail: bronnenmeier@grobsystems.com

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