X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:23:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web111404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.15.150] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with SMTP id 3810071 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:38:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.195.15.150; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 1584 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2009 03:38:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LVktLCIYVa2FXIIBdt0fgdKGixfa2KKMdOzfCK/UgYblTnOY7SrBG0RJJtYpAmVfty7BbhMfGUOZYhNkbpAfl+yWf2LIetF2mDhCUhftDWWSTF0NcsfGNlQt7oVEgXgnckk0SJ9wZ2IgVYaYlMZRpQdB5zPion1LAG8hEMSPwtA=; X-Original-Message-ID: <559335.689.qm@web111404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mzBE8o8VM1njQp33wzkm4o3gV5iBp19a3E1q1XeU_6Qshs36Io4yGmB5i9olyBcX7w6t4Jstc_eP9GIL5a_5wTokNpM4P_lManKJF2RNBCyuNQwulCELlyBTQV_DpLns7wovgp0Eah2LtGIRwECUOfBSnYZXSoBxRMF7F92nIhtvpPTu0YXVicY09mx5qYdXKD4oTEV8iwIQFWx2m8oWUvm8mIXZiXqbtiBNOcMZ1ZnjPk6yd5p8cM0ru1h2NXAH9QHOiCxFoCmPre90aqQsoCjo4G0Yk27ZFnZWrxgl_1YZcELPrGdoMX82sF9_UjXtZXoZ6LhEZcSB6_8WgHj7Dx_cFyTP1GMGbGYEMFxYkHRUMQ-- Received: from [76.8.220.18] by web111404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:38:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 X-Original-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: randy snarr Subject: Re: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary is right on this.=0AI was also told the same thing whenst I was buildi= ng my rudder.=0AI added 2.5" inches to the back of the rudder full length.= =0AFull power from a standing start is no problemo...=0AThe 320/360 rudder = is much bigger than the 235 and for a good reason. The 320+powered airplane= greatly benefits from it...=0ARandy Snarr=0A=0A--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Gary E= dwards wrote:=0A=0A> From: Gary Edwards =0A> Subject: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320=0A> To: lml@l= ancaironline.net=0A> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:15 PM=0A> =0A> =0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> The 235 airframe has a small= rudder compared the=0A> 320/360 series.=A0 A =0A> majority of 235 builders= have added the ventral fin to the=0A> bottom of the =0A> fuselage and adde= d the same amount to the bottom of the=0A> rudder.=A0 This =0A> rudder addi= tion adds about 20% more surface area to the=0A> rudder and helps =0A> sign= ificantly during the takeoff for airframes=0A> with=A0320's.=0A> =A0=0A> Do= ing as you have done,=A0adding power slowly in=0A> the initial takeoff =0A>= roll, is still required even with the added amount to the=0A> rudder.=A0 O= n =0A> occasion, full right rudder will still not be enough to=0A> overcome= the 320 =0A> overpowering the 235 airframe.=A0 Particularly if there=0A> i= s a bit of =0A> crosswind.=0A> =A0=0A> Gary Edwards=0A> LNC2=A0=A0=0A> =0A>= ----- Original Message=0A> ----- =0A> From: terrence =0A> o'neill = =0A> To: lml@lancaironline.net=0A> =0A> Sent: Monday, August=0A> 10, 20= 09 8:41 =0A> AM=0A> Subject: [LML]=0A> p-factor takeoff in =0A> 235/3= 20=0A> =0A> =0A> Hey!=A0 It works... slow =0A> application of throttl= e with full right rudder, then=0A> gradually reducing rudder =0A> .=0A> = I just=0A> pretend I'm in a =0A> P-51.=A0 : )=0A> Thanks=0A> to all fo= r the =0A> suggestions.=0A> =A0=0A> Terrence=0A> L235/320 =0A> N211= AL =0A> =0A=0A=0A