X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:57:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.201.88] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with SMTP id 3801268 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:19:07 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.201.88; envelope-from=earleschroeder@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67503 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2009 23:18:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X6gGQOg+REA30Bq9yUksHmLhaE6QdFHBER+ZucHpRt/NsWGhkJDTqxlk6FtgEkKTTJVmQYKuRocvRjAiIRcoGsP/dNJnjl26q8CZTa6LWnpn12xwIrbwafqK+SzvzqScElLUoxKj/QPwTOz28aHDWgr8FREtR4o+r83oYYWlz8M=; X-Original-Message-ID: <376169.55744.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EEN6YlwVM1kPQ.EV7JzqghCtKfeQwNycWbE_D_mmTrWzd3FFwwikThUvmRE5mx4QxDqYoQFBk39tKoBJxpCxwl0xwhth9RE21BXiWlymTq5uftb331X9CmkBLkkogn3TgsYPBpQyzYqP4Of5lactZ2L1VtUKOKb2EVUaUjI8DsmUw3ZCxl.hAC2o3gwrX4117NtB3C5Xzhj4iAQw3sYkLamqN4h2idadHrPtPcRQT9cyEqLPeSkHx9EXn0cE9d0i8KRpOnMrH7SxU2kPUl8ouzHNT_.JOPOPrDr8B6XVyp0R2UKB9Lc_Dd4kXavkZDL8gOqa9M_g8wmEEmRBVSHClCt7YFD5MwnbFjCntDwthFUfnlzu Received: from [75.16.246.100] by web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:18:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Earl Schroeder Subject: Re: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1284169003-1249946309=:55744" --0-1284169003-1249946309=:55744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm another 235/320 driver that added the ventral fin that extends the length of the rudder. I did not add the trailing edge full length. So far, I've had enough rudder to maintain runway heading using the gradual throttle (as I too was taught many years ago). Use caution and apply rudder quickly on a go around as this caused an unwanted left turn recently.. I blame not paying attention...seeing the windscreen fill with tree tops brought me back to reality! Earl ________________________________ From: randy snarr To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:18:49 PM Subject: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320 I did as Gary described but also added 3" to the trailing edge of the rudder full length. I can nail the power on take off and have no trouble keeping the airplane heading down the center line. FWIW, I was taught to add power gradually which I do, usually anyway... Randy Snarr N694RS 235/320 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Gary Edwards wrote: > From: Gary Edwards > Subject: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320 > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > The 235 airframe has a small rudder compared the > 320/360 series. A > majority of 235 builders have added the ventral fin to the > bottom of the > fuselage and added the same amount to the bottom of the > rudder. This > rudder addition adds about 20% more surface area to the > rudder and helps > significantly during the takeoff for airframes > with 320's. > > Doing as you have done, adding power slowly in > the initial takeoff > roll, is still required even with the added amount to the > rudder. On > occasion, full right rudder will still not be enough to > overcome the 320 > overpowering the 235 airframe. Particularly if there > is a bit of > crosswind. > > Gary Edwards > LNC2 > > ----- Original Message > ----- > From: terrence > o'neill > To: lml@lancaironline.net > > Sent: Monday, August > 10, 2009 8:41 > AM > Subject: [LML] > p-factor takeoff in > 235/320 > > > Hey! It works... slow > application of throttle with full right rudder, then > gradually reducing rudder > . > I just > pretend I'm in a > P-51. : ) > Thanks > to all for the > suggestions. > > Terrence > L235/320 > N211AL > -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --0-1284169003-1249946309=:55744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm another 235/320 driver that added the ventral fin that extends the length of the rudder.  I did not add the trailing edge full length.

So far, I've had enough rudder to maintain runway heading using the gradual throttle (as I too was taught many years ago).  Use caution and apply rudder quickly on a go around as this caused an unwanted left turn recently.. I blame not paying attention...seeing the windscreen fill with tree tops brought me back to reality!

Earl

From: randy snarr <randylsnarr@yahoo.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:18:49 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320

I did as Gary described but also added 3" to the trailing edge of the rudder full length.
I can nail the power on take off and have no trouble keeping the airplane heading down the center line.
FWIW,
I was taught to add power gradually which I do, usually anyway...

Randy Snarr
N694RS
235/320

--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:15 PM
>
>
> 
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> The 235 airframe has a small rudder compared the
> 320/360 series.  A
> majority of 235 builders have added the ventral fin to the
> bottom of the
> fuselage and added the same amount to the bottom of the
> rudder.  This
> rudder addition adds about 20% more surface area to the
> rudder and helps
> significantly during the takeoff for airframes
> with 320's.
>  
> Doing as you have done, adding power slowly in
> the initial takeoff
> roll, is still required even with the added amount to the
> rudder.  On
> occasion, full right rudder will still not be enough to
> overcome the 320
> overpowering the 235 airframe.  Particularly if there
> is a bit of
> crosswind.
>  
> Gary Edwards
> LNC2  
>
>  ----- Original Message
> -----
>  From: terrence
>  o'neill
>  To: lml@lancaironline.net
>
>  Sent: Monday, August
> 10, 2009 8:41
>  AM
>  Subject: [LML]
> p-factor takeoff in
>  235/320
> 
>
>  Hey!  It works... slow
>  application of throttle with full right rudder, then
> gradually reducing rudder
>  .
>  I just
> pretend I'm in a
>  P-51.  : )
>  Thanks
> to all for the
>  suggestions.
>   
>  Terrence
>  L235/320
> N211AL
>




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