X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:18:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.15.192] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with SMTP id 3801134 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:57:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.195.15.192; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 64447 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2009 20:56:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=syRhMBPdNOAHvD1CFO2bulnOGVmUu/mb2vFCRPr4k9AL1ywjkmMCZ9u3xDTzlTugkNVEspkrSuMzx/+MBoKbexmAscO2B5vRwd8PTpduNFDncMsb2O6up+zlwkeSM0PrlxGExQPmz18E3I88MPy+yi6lZbWRZmWqXFXeK23joYc=; X-Original-Message-ID: <147112.64417.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gU8gSmAVM1n6YwiN7pjt5SeKdGym9xQOsiGyIWku2rCa3j2CoUs- Received: from [208.187.197.66] by web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:56:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 X-Original-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: randy snarr Subject: Re: [LML] Re: p-factor takeoff in 235/320 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did as Gary described but also added 3" to the trailing edge of the rudde= r full length.=0AI can nail the power on take off and have no trouble keepi= ng the airplane heading down the center line. =0AFWIW,=0AI was taught to ad= d power gradually which I do, usually anyway...=0A=0ARandy Snarr=0AN694RS= =0A235/320=0A=0A--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Gary Edwards wr= ote:=0A=0A> From: Gary Edwards =0A> Subject: [LML] Re= : p-factor takeoff in 235/320=0A> To: lml@lancaironline.net=0A> Date: Monda= y, August 10, 2009, 1:15 PM=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> The 235 airframe has a small rudder compared the=0A> 320/36= 0 series.=A0 A =0A> majority of 235 builders have added the ventral fin to = the=0A> bottom of the =0A> fuselage and added the same amount to the bottom= of the=0A> rudder.=A0 This =0A> rudder addition adds about 20% more surfac= e area to the=0A> rudder and helps =0A> significantly during the takeoff fo= r airframes=0A> with=A0320's.=0A> =A0=0A> Doing as you have done,=A0adding = power slowly in=0A> the initial takeoff =0A> roll, is still required even w= ith the added amount to the=0A> rudder.=A0 On =0A> occasion, full right rud= der will still not be enough to=0A> overcome the 320 =0A> overpowering the = 235 airframe.=A0 Particularly if there=0A> is a bit of =0A> crosswind.=0A> = =A0=0A> Gary Edwards=0A> LNC2=A0=A0=0A> =0A> ----- Original Message=0A> -= ---- =0A> From: terrence =0A> o'neill =0A> To: lml@lancaironline.net= =0A> =0A> Sent: Monday, August=0A> 10, 2009 8:41 =0A> AM=0A> Subject:= [LML]=0A> p-factor takeoff in =0A> 235/320=0A> =0A> =0A> Hey!=A0 It = works... slow =0A> application of throttle with full right rudder, then= =0A> gradually reducing rudder =0A> .=0A> I just=0A> pretend I'm in a = =0A> P-51.=A0 : )=0A> Thanks=0A> to all for the =0A> suggestions.=0A>= =A0=0A> Terrence=0A> L235/320 =0A> N211AL =0A> =0A=0A=0A