X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:39:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.64.95] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.1) with SMTP id 2851285 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:37:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 9008 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 01:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO paulrzm5oth3zt) (pbricker@att.net@76.206.248.200 with login) by smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 01:37:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wzzGwGgVM1l81mVS5JmYRTKinuyCdavy23r9s7K0nTtBaA3IRAZ75TM91hWTDgy_3ggDMQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Paul Bricker" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Legacy crash - speculation X-Original-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:37:51 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <00db01c8a02b$a70c7af0$6601a8c0@paulrzm5oth3zt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C89FF0.FAADA2F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcigKH3QP1/5iS6ZRHC+EvK/a7zH4AAAlaYw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C89FF0.FAADA2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking at the photo it does appear that the front of the cowling is "high" relative to the spinner. The cowling does appear to be still in position on the fuselage (no gaps and proper alignment of the paint features). I don't know the condition of the wreckage but a broken upper motor mount could result in a nose down thrust vector. Enough to cause loss of control? Paul Bricker _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky2high@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:15 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy crash - speculation The canopy is not that bad of a problem. Noise and wind are distractions but the airplane is flyable. The canopy won't open much further in controlled maneuvering flight as the lift produced by the air flow over it is counteracted by the forces of air flow against the canopy. Perhaps one should review the relationship between the cowl and the prop spinner in the picture as it may indicate something beyond the normal "lift" on the cowl in climb and the thrust forces from the engine/prop. The gear was down and should have stayed that way thru an emergency return to land (assuming enough power remained) OR, if enough runway was available, the takeoff should have been aborted. These are the toughies - there never will be answers to How? Why? ............. Grayhawk In a message dated 4/16/2008 7:45:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aadamson@highrf.com writes: http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=536888751&filename=phpxexrtQ.jpg _____ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos . ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C89FF0.FAADA2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looking at the photo it does appear = that the front of the cowling is “high” relative to the spinner. = The cowling does appear to be still in position on the fuselage (no gaps and = proper alignment of the paint features). I don’t know the condition of = the wreckage but a broken upper motor mount could result in a nose down thrust = vector. Enough to cause loss of control?

 

Paul = Bricker

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April = 16, 2008 6:15 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy = crash - speculation

 

The canopy is not that bad of a problem.  Noise and wind are distractions but the airplane is flyable.  The canopy won't open much further in controlled = maneuvering flight as the lift produced by the air flow over it is counteracted by = the forces of air flow against the canopy.

 

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Perhaps one should review the relationship between the cowl and the prop spinner in the = picture as it may indicate something beyond the normal "lift" on the cowl in = climb and the thrust forces from the engine/prop.  =

 

=

The gear was down and should have = stayed that way thru an emergency return to land (assuming enough power = remained) OR, if enough runway was available, the takeoff should have been = aborted.

 

=

These are the toughies - there = never will be answers to How? Why? .............

 

=

Grayhawk

 

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=

In a message dated 4/16/2008 = 7:45:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aadamson@highrf.com = writes:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fi= le?id=3D536888751&filename=3DphpxexrtQ.jpg



Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at = AOL = Autos.

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