Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #38499
From: rtitsworth <rtitsworth@mindspring.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lancair down in Georgia - do the math
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:33:44 -0500
To: <lml>

Michael,

 

How “many more pistons” (your quote from below)???

 

My data (see prior post) shows approx 8:1 ratio of IV’s&IVP’s to IVP-T’s.  (I’m sure there are some errors in my data – but at least it’s an honest attempt, and the error can go either way.  In fact, my data probably misses some IV’s that have been converted to IV-T’s and never updated in the FAA registry.  This roughly mirrors the accident ratio from Jeff  31:4

 

You can perceive/claim the IV’s have been flying longer, but the magnitude of the number of aircraft certified by year doesn’t really support that either (since over 80% of the IV’s flying are from the same period as the IVP-T’s).  It’s true there are some old IV’s from the 90’s (< 50), but the bulk of the flying IV-P fleet (>200) is <5 years old.  Overall, the age/hours/miles perception/argument is approximately a wash.

 

Furthermore, one might guess that given the investment and expense (insurance) that the turbines are flying more miles (on average) due to speed and mission profile, and it’s just to $ to let them sit.  (I’ll admit no data/research here – just logical inference). 

 

Overall, this data tends to indicate your perceptions/statements are not accurate.  My data may be wrong and hence the conclusions wrong – I’m very open to correction from anyone with access to better data, but it is based on the data/facts as available.

 

The Wright’s legacy is doing the research and the math - otherwise it’s really only a hypothesis, not a conclusion/fact (not something to risk your life with)!!!

 

Rick Titsworth

Cell: 313-506-5604

 

p.s. The “apparent” overall accident rate, approx 2% per year (1:50 ???) should be a wakeup call to those of us (like me) who probably don’t get enough meaningful re-current training and/or are taking too many risks.  (Someone please check all my math on this).

 

 

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From post on 11/15/2006:

 

Not to overstate the obvious there are so many more piston IVs flying that the normalized accident rate of turbines is so much higher, and that piston IVs have been flying for so many more years.

 

Michael Smith

 

As of 8 June 2006 there were 4 IVP turbine accidents reported/ 25 IV accidents and 6 straight IV accidents. I know because I keep a set of books on this and brief the Lancair group every year at OSH on this.

 

Jeff Edwards

LIVP N619SJ

Lancair Instructor

 

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