X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.224] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.3) with ESMTP id 1337588 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:01:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.249.82.224; envelope-from=akadamson@gmail.com Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so167173wxd for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:01:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:sender; b=JooTZ9nDKeYGPKNlWs9azoPUqNj5P/nHSrx8xQY6BmGrc1J6Njicz4B9VFh57F5BKf/vzXYgtg5lrLaIq5sN5nqHi5or0kAJfHApf1qsnWgOM4vGq7SJB1PVH3fhk6RJFxgCjK1fiurm65kXZHl/kEJpCaS1NOepHmRc7ic2bVo= Received: by 10.70.13.1 with SMTP id 1mr5197433wxm; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from Typhoon ( [68.68.83.221]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h7sm2248874wxd.2006.08.18.12.01.11; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alan K. Adamson" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: MT vs. Hartzell prop for the Legacy? X-Original-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:01:14 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <006301c6c2f8$adb5d250$2501a8c0@highrf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C6C2D7.26A43250" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbC9JjrdUZqc0AIRHe1axAA5JUeGQAA8wAg In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: Alan Adamson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C6C2D7.26A43250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Couple of quick notes and I'm sure Tim will step in as well. Dave *did* switch to the Hartzell last year, I was there and watched the oil drain out of the front of 199L while it set with out a prop. They did it to tighten up the bronze or silver class (I can't remember which, but go look at the times/speeds and you'll see the 4 Legacy's that were inches apart. As for the rest of this... I have no carnal knowledge, no horse in the race, etc. I'm just trying to figure out where to best spend my dollars.... Alan _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of PTACKABURY@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:32 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: MT vs. Hartzell prop for the Legacy? Alan and Tim and everyone: Re: Reno and Mr Morss, aka the sand man. Be very careful when drawing Legacy performance conclusions by referencing week long race speeds--Reno speeds only count on Sunday and there is a lot of "positioning" taking place Thurs thru Sat. That is why Mr Morss had a pile of sand under his engine when he showed up Sunday in 2004... True he used his special built MT prop until Sunday and then switched for a Hartzell. However I believe that change was at the urging of Joe Nelson the Hartzell rep so he/they could claim a Hartzell sweep at Reno (Darryl the Gold, Dave the silver and someone else with a Hartzell the bronze). Last year I believe Mr Morss used his MT through out (new Hartzell rep, no prop swap) and maybe that is way he was slower on Sunday, or maybe it was something else. For what it is worth I bought an ACI prop for my LIV because it is lighter, has a less complex one piece hub, could be manufactured to my specs and has a very sound blade retention system. I also like a composite prop because it does not suffer the harmonic issues aluminum seems to experience--no RPM ranges to avoid. It has a much more tolerant over speed range, doesn't come with a basket full of ADs and oh yes Harry and John are super to work with, as are the folks at American Prop in Redding. I do not understand why Lancair does not include ACI on their web site as a compatible prop for the LIV, etc. But of course I have yet to fly (hopefully this fall)--maybe it will fall off, or I will be embarrassingly slow... regards, paul tackabury ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C6C2D7.26A43250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Couple of = quick notes and=20 I'm sure Tim will step in as well.
 
Dave *did* = switch to the=20 Hartzell last year, I was there and watched the oil drain out of the = front of=20 199L while it set with out a prop.  They did it to tighten up the = bronze or=20 silver class (I can't remember which, but go look at the times/speeds = and you'll=20 see the 4 Legacy's that were inches apart.
 
As for the = rest of=20 this... I have no carnal knowledge, no horse in the race, etc.  I'm = just=20 trying to figure out where to best spend my dollars....
 
Alan

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 PTACKABURY@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:32=20 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: MT = vs.=20 Hartzell prop for the Legacy?

Alan and Tim and everyone:  Re: Reno and Mr Morss, aka the = sand=20 man.  Be very careful when drawing Legacy performance conclusions = by=20 referencing week long race speeds--Reno speeds only count on Sunday and = there is=20 a lot of "positioning" taking place Thurs thru Sat.  That is why Mr = Morss=20 had a pile of sand under his engine when he showed up Sunday in = 2004... =20 True he used his special built MT prop until Sunday and then switched = for a=20 Hartzell.  However I believe that change was at the urging of Joe = Nelson=20 the Hartzell rep so he/they could claim a Hartzell sweep at Reno (Darryl = the=20 Gold, Dave the silver and someone else with a Hartzell the = bronze).  Last=20 year I believe Mr Morss used his MT through out (new Hartzell rep, no = prop swap)=20 and maybe that is way he was slower on Sunday, or maybe it was something = else.
For what it is worth I bought an ACI prop for my LIV because it is = lighter,=20 has a less complex one piece hub, could be manufactured to my specs and = has a=20 very sound blade retention system.  I also like a composite prop = because it=20 does not suffer the harmonic issues aluminum seems to experience--no RPM = ranges=20 to avoid.  It has a much more tolerant over speed range, doesn't = come with=20 a basket full of ADs and oh yes Harry and John are super to work = with, as=20 are the folks at American Prop in Redding.  I do not understand why = Lancair=20 does not include ACI on their web site as a compatible prop for the LIV, = etc.  But of course I have yet to fly (hopefully this fall)--maybe = it will=20 fall off, or I will be embarrassingly slow...
regards, paul tackabury
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