Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.2) with ESMTP id 424990 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:47:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.217.120.149; envelope-from=skipslater@earthlink.net Received: from lsanca1-ar17-4-61-195-143.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.61.195.143] helo=skipslater) by asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C9y5k-0000LT-A3 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:46:52 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <002201c4a057$280a9e80$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Skip Slater" From: "Skip Slater" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] HUDS X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:48:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: cbee950bdf563876c8ad50643b1069f8239a348a220c2609f2b5f0a3a6dd5184dc244d16333580ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.61.195.143 Tom, You asked what phase of flight a HUD would be mostly used. Let me offer how I use the HUD I have in the 737-800 I fly at work. Basically, my HUD is a pull down glass plate called a combiner that rotates up and out of view when not in use. The projection unit and combiner are mounted over my head. They're large and very heavy, so reducing them to a useful size is critical. I've seen the NASA HUD display that's a small lens mounted to a headband, so I know it can be done. I have the HUD down all the time below 18,000' and often I'll use it whenever I'm hand flying the plane up to cruise altitude. The one I use has, I suspect, far more cues in it than we'd ever see in a Lancair application. Of primary use is the flight director cue, which is driven by what we set on our flight mode control panel. It's essentially a repeater of the F/D on our PFD, only in a different format. There are several ways to display the flight director cues, but what we have is a small moving circle that indicates the F/D guidance. We also display a larger fixed circle, which represents the aircraft. such that the small circle is inside the larger one. It's like playing the old game "Operation"- keep the small circle from touching the edges of the larger one and all is well. Primarily, we have pitch and roll modes, though we also have throttle cues which are driven by whatever airspeed or mach we set as well. We can set pitch for VSI, airspeed , approach (which indicates G/S) or VNAV mode (derived from our flight management system computer) and roll can come from heading, LNAV (driven by our GPS's, much like GPSS is on my S-Tec A/P), LOC or approach modes. Along the sides of the horizon display (which includes a moving compass card on the horizon line)are airspeed tapes on the left and altitude and V/S on the right. Above the altitude tape is the AOA display and below it is a readout of the radio freq selected in the NAV radio and DME. A small bank indicator is at the top of the display and radio altitude up to 2500' is shown on the bottom. Finally, we have a wind arrow which shows direction and velocity- very handy on landing. There are several other modes and cues that aren't germane to the discussion, such as TCAS displays, windshear display, unusual attitude cues, airspeed and throttle position, yaw, etc. While it would be great to have all of this info in front of me when I'm flying my ES, what I'd like to see is essentially a repeater of the Chelton PFD. Anything beyond the PFD info would be gravy. I'd imagine that finding a way to feed existing info like that onto a HUD would help keep the cost lower. A display like that would allow me to fly IFR without taking my eyes off the HUD, a real plus when you're looking for a runway on an ILS approach. In VFR, you could keep your scan outside while looking for traffic. What's it worth? That's a tough one. To me it would depend on what was on it and whether I felt I'd get enough use out of it. Most of my flying in Southern Calif is VFR, so I don't know if I could justify an expensive addition like that. I would very much like to have a flight director, which I don't have at present. I feel the technology is close enough that cost will decide when the market's ready for it, much like the glass cockpit stuff that's common now. I hope guys like you will keep working on it! Skip Slater