Return-Path: Received: from csimo01.mx.cs.com ([198.81.17.74]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:32:36 -0400 Received: from RicArgente@cs.com (540) by csimo01.mx.cs.com (IMOv20) id kXQZa09182 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: RicArgente@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:35:07 EDT Subject: Aileron Vibration To: lancair.list@olsusa.com X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I did a couple of web searches at various search engines and found the following newsletter article. The web site address is: http://www.canard.com/cp/cp58/cp58-24.html Looks like a LongEze newsletter group. Before this problem, I have never heard of this phenomena (i.e. aileron vibration) but seems to be more prevalent than I had originally thought. What's interesting about this article is that the pilot did not feel any vibration on the stick although his solution (adding more leading edge wt) was one of the suggestions found here in the Lancair List. Rick Argente Still searching for a solution... N360ZR ============================================================ AILERON VIBRATION Below is an excerpt of a letter received at RAF recently. "Thanks for all the good newsletters. Just to clarify, I have had aileron flutter (see Ed. note). At 10 hours, I noted a lot of aluminum dust behind the aileron hinges. In flight. I visually could see the tip of both ailerons as a 1/4" blur. I added leading edge weight and installed the Teflon hinge pin setup. At this point, I had no visible vibration at 2000 ft at 120 mph, but still had vibration at 8000 ft., 160 mph. It remained this way for many hours of "hauling rides" but less than 5 cross country hours. Note: I never was able to detect any vibration on the stick. I recently put more weight on the right aileron which was still vibrating slightly at altitude. This extra weight was along the outboard end where I had previously not had any. This finally cured the problem. Now the ailerons hang with the top surface level. Note: The problem occurred when the ailerons balanced bottom surface level as per plans. Note: Both ailerons had this problem. The left aileron is very accurate dimensionally, the right's trailing edge rises 1/4" in the outboard 8" from a straight line. Also, I have a good surface finish, laminar flow, as evidenced by wing drop before the vortilons. It is very hard to see the trailing edge of the aileron and difficult to decide if it is indeed vibrating 1/4" or if your eye is just not that sharp, but having fixed it, I can verify that it was not an optical illusion. I feel that many Long-EZ's probably have this problem and their pilots are not aware of it. Again, there is no indication of stick vibration Larry Bush EDITOR'S COMMENT We have published Larry's letter as he wrote it because we believe he experienced the same phenomena described above: Engine/prop excited "forced vibration" driving his aileron at the same frequency as the engine/prop. "Flutter" is an aerodynamic condition and is normally divergent, i.e., expands to destruction. "Forced vibration" can continue as long as the source (engine/prop) is maintained near the same frequency as the natural frequency of the aileron. By overbalancing his ailerons to the top limit as called out in the plans, he has (1) changed the mass of his ailerons thereby lowering the natural frequency of the ailerons and, (2) repositioned the CG of the aileron relative to the hinge, thus reducing the "forced vibration" input. LL your ailerons are vibrating at the trailing edge as Larry's were, you must add more leading edge weight. Note: We checked several Long-EZs here at Mojave and none of them exhibited any visible vibration at the trailing edge, however, all of them show some signs of aileron hinge wear (black aluminum dust on the aileron, particularly after flying through moisture). Keep in mind that it may be difficult to spot. Have a passenger in the rear seat look at the aileron trailing edges very, very carefully. Spend at least 30 seconds staring at the ailerons in level flight, in a climb, in a descent, and in left and right turns. If any vibration is seen, re-balance the ailerons The easiest way is to get some lead ribbon from a golf pro shop and stick it to the top of the aileron leading edges, full span- until it balances top skin level. Lay up one ply of BID to permanently secure the lead to the aileron leading edge. (see sketch, page 15 [50k gif]) We would like to thank Larry Bush for the excellent feedback on this situation. This is the kind of information we all need to know about in order to keep the large fleet of EZs flying safely and consistently. ============================================================ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html