Return-Path: Received: from portal.udlp.com ([207.109.1.80]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:43:56 -0400 Received: from portal.udlp.com (root@localhost) by portal.udlp.com with ESMTP id KAA13389 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:46:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccmail.udlp.com ([10.1.6.254]) by portal.udlp.com with ESMTP id KAA13341 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:46:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccMail by ccmail.udlp.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.12) id 00329345; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:45:22 -0500 From: CHRISTOPHER_ZAVATSON@udlp.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00329345.C21254@udlp.com> Subject: Aileron Vibration To: Lancair.list@olsusa.com X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rick, I have also witnessed what I assume to be the same aileron vibration on both left and right sides. My observations over the last 250 hours have led me to believe that it has nothing to with flutter (although that was my very first thought). What is the cause of the vibration: A big engine bolted to a light airframe. Torsional pulses sent through the fuselage translate into vertical movement at the wing tips. I have extended wing tanks. When the tanks are full, the ailerons are still. As the tanks empty over time, vibration increases. This makes sense in that the greater the inertia of the wing, the less movement will be seen. Throttle and rpm setting will affect this vibration since you are changing the magnitude and frequency of the input. Aerodynamic loads such as running the trim to one extreme and correcting with stick pressure can eliminate the aileron motions by forcing the it against the hinge with a greater force than that induced by the acceleration being passed through the structure by the engine. If you see rotational movement about the hinge axis, that is a different animal-flutter. If the entire aileron is moving up and down with no rotation-the mass balancing is doing its job. This vertical vibration with an unbalanced surface could easily lead to flutter as it would lead to rotation about the hinge and aerodynamic coupling. As the hinges have worn over time, vertical movement has increased. Constantly being beaten by the vibrating mass of the aileron is not helping the life expectancy of the hinges. The hinges are the sloppiest components in the entire system in terms of play. I would love to find a replacement that eliminates all the play of conventional hinges. Lancair was looking into this a while back. I am curious if they found a replacement. Chris Zavatson N91CZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html