Return-Path: Received: from mail.mc.net ([209.172.128.4]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 14:38:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 12537 invoked from network); 22 May 1999 18:40:51 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-59.mc.net (HELO mc.net) (209.172.133.59) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 22 May 1999 18:40:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3746FAC2.81B44A37@mc.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:43:14 -0500 From: jerry@mc.net Reply-To: jerry@mc.net To: Lancair Mail List Subject: Trim Systems X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> The connectors thread got me on to one of my pet topics.....TRIM SYSTEMS. I don't want to muddy the connectors thread so I've changed the subject title with this note. To come right down to the solution though, if all electrical components were inside the cockpit and therefore in reach for maintenance we would not have a concern for connectors. Also the manual elevator trim wheel has much going for it to simplify the build. To all who plan external trim as their goal for building a "straight" flying machine. The second best trim system is the one not needed. So its best to build straight flying machines and sometimes that seems to "happen" and happily so. The best trim system is the one the builder has to add after the first few flights. One for the rudder and/or for the heavy wing. It is obvious, we all must plan for and build-in, the elevator trim system. There is no useful purpose served building trim systems which are not known to be needed. This begs the question then: Why build these systems when it is not certain the controls will need the system. This discussion will be confined to the aileron trim system. For every ounce of weight the trim system adds to the aileron it has to be balanced with many times that weight in lead. So leave the ailerons alone with so called "big airplane" or store bought general aviation type airplane trim tab systems. Keep it simple, gentlemen. Be more effective by using the systems the fighter jets, 727, 747 and others use. These jets use a new neutral position trim system. If the left wing is heavy the trim system finds a new neutral position for the stick. A position which causes the wings to remain level even though the stick is now off center a trifle. Let it be know, the ailerons in these airplanes are hydraulically actuated. A trim tab on the aileron simply would not be able to drive the aileron against the hydraulic lock existing in the system. The device that causes the stick to move off center is an electric servo driving the control linkage which then drives hydraulic valves, driving the ailerons. In the Lancair 320 it could be a MAC servo pulling on bungee cords attached to the bottom of the stick's push rod control. The results of two or three clicks on the aileron trim button would be witnessed in the movement of the control sticks going from one position to another. This new position then becomes the new neutral position for both ailerons. Of course the advantages to this approach are obvious. There is no intensive labor to create a cosmetically beautiful aileron trim tab or servo mounting cover and all the nut plates associated with those needs. The aileron has nothing inside and no tab to drag through the air, we have also left a lot of lead at home, on the shelf, where it belongs. The attendant advantage is the aileron trim is not in the airplane if it is not needed and best of all can be added later with no loss of effectiveness. It hides under the seats, out of sight, easy to work on, with no labor intensive highly fitted and painted covers. The spin-off advantage.......the stick is spring-loaded to the aileron center position which gives an elegance and sophistication to a deserving and classy airplane. If there are any questions about this approach please state them to the List and I'll respond to that in kind. Everyone will then get the whole mystery solved, if this has generated any mystery. Jerry Grimmonpre' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html