Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:49:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.8.50.175] (HELO mta1.adelphia.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.5) with ESMTP id 1980785 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:35:58 -0500 Received: from worldwinds ([207.175.254.66]) by mta1.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.25 201-253-122-126-125-20021216) with SMTP id <20030111153714.ZAXS12021.mta1.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:37:14 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: Wing loading X-Original-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:32:39 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Just for the fun of it, let me add my 2 cents worth: 1. The structural and aerodynamic effects of wing loading are two completely different topics. How strong the wing is has no effect on the flying qualities and vice versa. 2. Adding weight to the wing (fuel) doesn't increase the structural loading, so when calculating the strength the location of the weight is all-important. Consequently, the design capability (i.e., 4.4 G's with a factor of safety of 2) is an approximation because it doesn't take into account how much weight is in the wing. 3. Increasing the official gross weight, which we are free to do, might best be done by calling out a separate landing weight, thus preserving the landing gear design integrity (at least on paper). 4. Assuming that the aircraft can tolerate more of a gust load if it is already "weightless" sort of holds air, as the airframe load depends only on the angle of attack and airspeed. The gust loading assumes that there is an instantaneous change in angle of attack because of a vertical gust. Weightlessness implies that the original angle of attack is zero, thus giving a higher margin. If one up gust is followed immediately by another up gust the two could add, however. Since the gust loading is only a function of angle of attack changes, I suppose one can neglect the change in tail loading as it affects the wing strength. 5. The glide angle has little to do with the wing loading and has everything to do with drag. In theory, a turbine IV with a feathering prop will have a very good glide ratio just because the prop drag can be eliminated. The descent rate will be high, but the glide ratio will be very, very good. I understand that jet transports make exceptionally good gliders in that regard. 6. A given gust velocity will typically impart a larger load on a "thin" wing than a thick one because the slope of the lift/angle is steeper. 7. High wing loading is possibly not the best factor in how "hot" a plane is. Span loading is probably a better measure. 8. When assuming that the aircraft will tolerate a 4.4 G loading one has to consider ALL the parts of the aircraft, not just the wings. For example, the engine mount also could break at higher G loadings. For this reason it could be argued that the max structural cruising speed (yellow arc) could be raised if the aircraft is made heavier by adding fuel to the wing. A given gust will impart lower G loading to the structure at the heavier weight. Maneuvering speed is, however, a fixed ratio of stalling speed so it doesn't matter where the weight is carried. Just a note on asymmetric wing loading - As I understand it a lot of heavier planes have a loading asymmetry limit in their certification. Learjets come to mind. If one were to burn all the fuel from one tank, as a result of a pump or selector valve failure for example, the pilot is probably in the test pilot mode as the aircraft has probably never been tested with significant side/side weight differences. And as someone wisely suggested it would be best to add significant speed to the approach and landing phase as an unrecoverable spin might be only a heartbeat away. Gary Casey, PE, AA (Professional Engineer, Amateur Aerodynamicist)