Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:25:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.5) with ESMTP id 1980483 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:57:46 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-001florlap311.dialsprint.net ([168.191.91.49] helo=computername) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18X9y4-0003MK-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:57:44 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <005501c2b90c$eb435600$315bbfa8@computername> From: "Skip Slater" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Re: [LML] Wing Loading mysteries X-Original-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:01:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Brian, Since I was the one to mention awhile back the high wing loading you'd have by upping your GW to 4100 (or was it 4200) pounds, let me elaborate on my concerns, which aren't restricted only to wing loading. As long as you have ample speed, high wing loading isn't so much of a problem. But when I think of a IV or IV-P, I think first of a plane that needs a lot of speed to fly relative to most of the GA fleet. By arbitrarily raising your GW by 1,000 pounds, you make your plane into what in the military is better known as a lead sled. It goes fast, but absent that speed or more importantly, absent power, it'll come down like a clean safe. (Unlike the IV's though, most lead sleds are equipped with ejection seats.) Get anywhere near the backside of the power curve in a heavily loaded IV-P and it'll decel quickly and possibly paint you into a corner you don't want to be in. Glide ratios are scary. With the Walter, you have lots of power to get out of that corner, but if you get slow, you have torque to deal with in trying to keep the plane upright. Of greater concern to me though is the question of the gear and brakes' ability to bear such a significant increase in weight. If you have to rely on the stock brakes to abort a 4200 # takeoff for any reason, it could be a real eye opener. If you have to land heavy and plop the plane onto the runway, you could damage your gear, bottom out your nose strut too hard, overstress the gear box or the points where it attaches to the airframe, or open the possibility of a whole host of other structural damage issues. I questioned whether you had run the increased weight issue by anyone at Lancair and am curious if you ever did. Most of us have taken off a little heavy at one time or another, but not 900 or 1000 pounds over the max gross weight in the POH. Just because you have a big engine doesn't mean the rest of the airframe is capable of handling such a big increase in loads. I just hope that before heading off at such a weight you'll thoroughly investigate the aerodynamic and structural consequences as well as the risks of doing so. Skip Slater