Return-Path: Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b1) with ESMTP id 3152653 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:05:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 3944 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 14:05:14 -0000 Received: from 65-73-215-188.bras01.cok.tn.frontiernet.net (HELO frontiernet.net) ([65.73.215.188]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.18) with SMTP for ; 8 Apr 2004 14:05:14 -0000 Message-ID: <40755C8F.4BC0C6B@frontiernet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:07:11 -0500 From: Jim Sower X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9320144ABE4F09B78083B044" --------------9320144ABE4F09B78083B044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <... The standard Velocity can actually use a 160 hp which is a standard non ported 13b (or a Lyc 320) and still push it along at about 167 kts ... well according to the sales literature ) ....> Make that a . I have a standard Velocity with a Lyc LIO-360 at 205 hp (allegedly) and I can make about 140 - 145 kts. Maybe 150 or 155 so with wheel pants. Mine is not an ideal or optimized Velocity, and there's a lot of weight in the front seat which is important on canards, but I would regard 200 honest hp a good place to start. I would go with a Renesis. O-540 power right out the gate, and always the option of turbo. Who was it said brand new renesis costs like used rebuilt 20B? That would be my choice .... Jim S. CBarber wrote: > Wahoo, another Velocity Builder. I am building a standard > (with the standard wing). I am using a two rotor, just not > sure if standard 13b with standard porting (for approx 200 hp) > or a Renesis. The standard Velocity can actually use a 160 hp > which is a standard non ported 13b (or a Lyc 320) and still > push it along at about 167 kts.....well according to the sales > literature ).I was seriously thinking the three rotor 20b > when I first started my research, but decided against the > extra weight, scarcity, cost and complexity. I have been > constantly told the 13b should be able to be ported to 190 to > 200 hp without any real issue. Even though the turbo will add > some complexity it should give you the power you want.John > Slade is using a 13b turbo in his Cozy and should be flying > any day now....Right John? He as a great website (with a lousy > URL that I can't remember) but you can link there from my > builders site under the engine page)Please keep me/us posted > as I am very interested in what you decide and how you do > it.All the best,Chriswww.LoneStarVelocity.com > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > > Christopher Barber > > Attorney and Counselor at Law > > "Serving the needs of Senior Texans" > > Barber Law Firm > 11930 S Sam Houston Pkwy E > Suite 103 > Houston, Texas 77089-4755 > 281-464-LAWS (5297) > > > CBarber@TexasAttorney.net > www.TexasAttorney.net > > > > [Texas] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of > Rino Lacombe > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:38 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine > > I am still on the fence, but would like to decide > what engine to use. I am building a Large wing > Velocity, not the XL. One of the original designers > of that version of the plane recommends that an > io-540 250 horse would be the ideal engine. Now I > was thinking of either a 2 rotor that would be > turboed to 200+ hp at sl not at 10K or a NA 3 rotor. > > I would like to get a consensus of the > better way to go? Suggestions? If I have > to, I could probably hang the exhaust out > the cowl, or modify the cowl so as to get > some airflow over the exhaust to help cool > it. Bob I would go for the Renesis, the > RX8 engine if I was starting today.It is > much lighter for the same or better HP > than a 13b with turbo like I presently > have. Rino > -- Jim Sower ... Destiny's Plaything Crossville, TN; Chapter 5 Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T --------------9320144ABE4F09B78083B044 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------25A6F8C8465898CBFEF22AF3" --------------25A6F8C8465898CBFEF22AF3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <... The standard Velocity can actually use a 160 hp which is a standard non ported 13b (or a Lyc 320) and still push it along at about 167 kts ... well according to the sales literature <g>) ....>
Make that a <G>.  I have a standard Velocity with a Lyc LIO-360 at 205 hp (allegedly) and I can make about 140 - 145 kts.  Maybe 150 or 155 so with wheel pants.  Mine is not an ideal or optimized Velocity, and there's a lot of weight in the front seat which is important on canards, but I would regard 200 honest hp a good place to start.
I would go with a Renesis.  O-540 power right out the gate, and always the option of turbo.  Who was it said brand new renesis costs like used rebuilt 20B?
That would be my choice .... Jim S.

CBarber wrote:

Wahoo, another Velocity Builder.  I am building a standard (with the standard wing).  I am using a two rotor, just not sure if standard 13b with standard porting (for approx 200 hp) or a Renesis.  The standard Velocity can actually use a 160 hp which is a standard non ported 13b (or a Lyc 320) and still push it along at about 167 kts.....well according to the sales literature <g>).I was seriously thinking the three rotor 20b when I first started my research, but decided against the extra weight, scarcity, cost and complexity.  I have been constantly told the 13b should be able to be ported to 190 to 200 hp without any real issue. Even though the turbo will add some complexity it should give you the power you want.John Slade is using a 13b turbo in his Cozy and should be flying any day now....Right John? He as a great website (with a lousy URL that I can't remember) but you can link there from my builders site under the engine page)Please keep me/us posted as I am very interested in what you decide and how you do it.All the best,Chriswww.LoneStarVelocity.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Rino Lacombe
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:38 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine
 
I am still on the fence, but would like to decide what engine to use.  I am building a Large wing Velocity, not the XL.  One of the original designers of that version of the plane recommends that an  io-540 250 horse would be the ideal engine.  Now I was thinking of either a 2 rotor that would be turboed to 200+ hp at sl not at 10K or a NA 3 rotor.
 I would like to get a consensus of the better way to go?  Suggestions?  If I have to, I could probably hang the exhaust out the cowl, or modify the cowl so as to get some airflow over the exhaust to help cool it. Bob I would go for the Renesis, the RX8 engine if I was starting today.It is much lighter for the same or better HP than a 13b with turbo like I presently have. Rino 

--
Jim Sower ... Destiny's Plaything
Crossville, TN; Chapter 5
Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T
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