Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #7040
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: MAP pressure drop
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:05:42 -0700
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

 

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: : Percent Power, Throttle position, & RD-1C performance

 

Took closer note of throttle position on todays flight.  At 2000 ft the throttle was only about 1/3 open (position of throttle quadrant, but it closely mirrors butterfly position) at economy cruise setting which was 6.0 GPH.  This is about 42% power, 82 HP according to the EM2 which is fairly close but not perfectly calibrated yet.  The same power setting with the -B drive would bave been a bit further open.

Thanks for checking this out.  My plane is a bit heavier, but I have 3 rotors, so I’ll set the butterfly spring to default at about 35% open.  But now the bigger issue is:

 

I did a quick check of MAP at 1000 ft at full throttle and found I was not getting any drop at 150 MPH and had .5" boost at 220 MPH (ram air recovery I assume).  I did not get around to checking it in slow climb which would more accurately compare to what you would see on a dyno.

 

Tracy

 

What RPM do those speeds correspond to?  I looked again at my plot of MAP vs RPM and wonder if something is amiss – maybe I can get some insight on this.  If you go to http://members.cox.net/alg3/Dynamometer%20test%20report.htm, at the bottom of the page, you’ll see the plot.  About 2” HG drop at 5000 PRM, almost 4” at 6000.  The inlet plenum and TB can be seen on the attached photo.

 

I really don’t think that my air intake plenum could be causing this drop as the flow area is larger than the TB flow area, with smooth transition into the barrels.  My TB barrels themselves are 5” long, 44mm dia.  The butterfly is near the inside end, and the MAP sensing port is just downstream from, and directly in line with, the butterfly shaft.  Could there be a significant drop in the barrels?  If the measured drop is ‘real’, then a) I’m surprised that I could get such good power, and b) eliminating the drop would significantly increase the power.

 

Tracy, what is the configuration of your TB, and where are you measuring MAP – at the TB before any runner length?

 

Al

 

 

 

Thanks, Tracy. I was hoping there would be someone out there flying with the same TB diameters.

 

Like most things, TB diameter is a tradeoff.  My conclusion from the dyno data is that 44mm per rotor (1 ¾) is a bit small as the MAP is dropping off over 5000 RPM.  But if you want to idle at 1500, and have a decent transition from there to 3000; 1 ¾ is good.  For a 2.85 to redrive, I’d want to increase that flow area by 30% or so – to about 2” dia for each rotor.

 

My data may not be representative because of restricted flow to the TB.  The ‘airbox’ size is restricted by the cowl, and may have restricted the flow a bit.  In hindsight, it would have been smart (and easy) to make a run with the airbox off and see what difference it made.

 

Al

 

 

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