X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: " 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pj1-f45.google.com ([209.85.216.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.5) with ESMTPS id 377217 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:55:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.45; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pj1-f45.google.com with SMTP id e5-20020a17090a804500b001a116ad95caso3325799pjw.2 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=WlygIgpq66fMbRdsCMyYUUiIiQnpfGDPqc8u3YBV6BE=; b=BkHGE7Bil0QKquREAOHp2E1hLxaD6i1GQFsWS3PgBDS/KfrtWHlt+RvUZlWXEikvji iiuNTIqlm0c0k4YA1HxuR94Pxaw6WR9MnO2uY/OCsvkJMr4vbKVWApAzAlSOcnrujuZa 1c8hCshiJAudE/XuOWPWrUm9b5HNgP1tff1/11ZIZOMi4b/BcDT95KvwZE3Wzs4fxP4V ThVP1fVYChYxvALq6MVc7bjZ9I3rH75DLmJRXLlYRKxAaY99SJekwbE9oDoAQ1Hhu9YB wnv/gE5f0GEHwnVl9N2KLL3ENPrS/u7LAyKqpIIN9wvH/OKQQSnwfS1M83xPxDpMGoGV s64Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=WlygIgpq66fMbRdsCMyYUUiIiQnpfGDPqc8u3YBV6BE=; b=Ctcm+Hj1VGLgj6lAN1WIbJCdA18/SqkGNKlT0faTrp7eBtHgsaJnLyu3sxHCR7jRUM VunN7Yqp80SNRK+IPP+BYv3uFhEucZg5h4ZGpFMTokiTcH7I4hLZVYLYtKp9VWBYyT8p 5SB304zlyzLuz4BdoHL/FTA7OqmMP/2hVB1Tu1iU7mcBEH/9dq7jqTodj8QlEjFuhYSf VWWGeYhuv21uYCiHvZlGuwtKG2L1KS4tWJb/7z8MHL4zFz/tLzqbzyDII+ILOLs7JeIq WEXXCZ3rNYwqlucgB/FLHSyqaBdlszU5mio+ez/4K6ehVfU2v5XHRcRFKJpGq67psq5H rFcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5318bx5wQ7oN1/lPdw+3pC/tpXnOMrxGkZma1RiQHGHj8RrHFs/v 2emdvjPSZFysZK58LKvQTUSfv8SdYIc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyX4q3vd2bp+y3bTMKl3MOAhVQ/GDXQurJIsFckX6djMUSLP0JLPzsYB5CfxS/mNMCTeSpA3A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3886:: with SMTP id mu6mr1552680pjb.40.1634763341989; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from UserPC ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g4sm2979305pgs.42.2021.10.20.13.55.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:55:41 -0700 (PDT) To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Ag Ops Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:55:37 +1100 Message-ID: <00f401d7c5f4$d796b7f0$86c427d0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01D7C651.0B0979E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGrlgBv0sjP2fyMa5kLCepl/ypJB6w0tP2w Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01D7C651.0B0979E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew, Re spraying, you are right, but drones are a = different application. Blanket spraying with a boom is a =E2=80=9Cone = size fits all=E2=80=9D and becoming very costly. With drones you have = the crop photographed first (small drone) and then see what has to be = sprayed, could be as little as 5 =E2=80=93 10% a massive saving in = chemical. Correcting micro nutrient deficiencies in the crop are = usually and definitely not a boom job, as a blanket spray may well do = more harm than good. Tissue testing of the crop will identify what is = lacking and can be corrected with a drone, eg Boron, zinc, Moly, = potassium and the host of others. A tissue test combined with aerial = analysis can detect just what needs to be sprayed. All crops are only = as good as the limiting factor nutrient wise. This is the future of = cropping as costs explode. From experience a $1 application of Zinc can = return $50. =20 The drone setup is simply an imagination at the moment, = have many experts in their field to consult. One is the retired Navy = test pilot living near me who flew almost all =E2=80=9Caerial = vehicles=E2=80=9D the navy had. Has something like 300 planes on his = licence. Very switched on and no bullshit.=20 A drone is complicated and just like C of G, inertia is a real problem = flying at 2 metres above the crop. That leaves no margin for error as = in gusts and wind pockets, not to mention trees and power poles. Enough power for a quick / instant response is required. = Here electric is brilliant but a generator and motors are still very = heavy. Mechanical is good, but how to get different speeds on the = rotors?? That leaves hydraulics which are also not light. No easy = answers anywhere. =20 Again these things will not be =E2=80=9Cplay = things=E2=80=9D as cost will be considerable, as everything else is in = cropping. Maintenance is a real issue with farmers and all the other = joys involved. Very early days and little to no information other than = power to weight is critical and here the mazda is on its own. Neil. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:53 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ag Ops =20 Hi Steve, hows the Glasair going? I been away from flying for awhile, = hopefully back into it in new year. Did start mine recently after it = been sitting idle since feb 2020, So happy I persevered with the mazda, = it started & ran so sweet I contemplated doing a couple of circuits but = for the legalities. No MR and I need AFR first. =20 Neil, not sure I agree with your rotor setup proposal, ( not that mine = is better) can get some weird aerodynamics with intermeshing rotors. Whole thing of nurse cart & drone need to be a package, rotors will = never be stopped during refill so drone needs to land on roof of truck = or trailer for refill from underneath to keep blades clear of dumbasses = like me. Truth be told, I dont think we can get anywhere near the efficiency of a = ground rig or Ag plane, we easily average 80 ha/hr each machine + nurse = cart, going to need a swarm of drones to get near this. But could be a = fun project. Andrew =20 On Tue, 19 Oct. 2021, 9:07 am Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com = , > wrote: Good to hear your voice Andrew. My son-in-law in Kojonup would be very interested in what you guys are = talking about. =20 Cheers =20 Steve Izett =20 =20 =20 --=20 Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01D7C651.0B0979E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Andrew,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Re spraying, you = are right, but drones are a different application.=C2=A0 Blanket = spraying with a boom is a =E2=80=9Cone size fits all=E2=80=9D and = becoming very costly.=C2=A0 With drones you have the crop photographed = first (small drone) and then see what has to be sprayed, could be as = little as 5 =E2=80=93 10% a massive saving in chemical.=C2=A0 Correcting = micro nutrient deficiencies in the crop are usually and definitely not a = boom job, as a blanket spray may well do more harm than good.=C2=A0 = Tissue testing of the crop will identify what is lacking and can be = corrected with a drone,=C2=A0 eg Boron, zinc, Moly, potassium and the = host of others.=C2=A0 A tissue test combined with aerial analysis can = detect just what needs to be sprayed.=C2=A0 All crops are only as good = as the limiting factor nutrient wise.=C2=A0 This is the future of = cropping as costs explode.=C2=A0 From experience a $1 application of = Zinc can return $50.=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The drone setup is simply an imagination = at the moment, have many experts in their field to consult.=C2=A0 One is = the retired Navy test pilot living near me who flew almost all = =E2=80=9Caerial vehicles=E2=80=9D the navy had.=C2=A0 Has something like = 300 planes on his licence.=C2=A0 Very switched on and no bullshit. =

A drone is = complicated and just like C of G, inertia is a real problem flying at 2 = metres above the crop.=C2=A0 That leaves no margin for error as in gusts = and wind pockets, not to mention trees and power = poles.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Enough power for a quick / instant = response is required.=C2=A0 Here electric is brilliant but a generator = and motors are still very heavy.=C2=A0 Mechanical is good, but how to = get different speeds on the rotors??=C2=A0 That leaves hydraulics which = are also not light.=C2=A0 No easy answers anywhere.=C2=A0 =

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Again these things will not be = =E2=80=9Cplay things=E2=80=9D as cost will be considerable, as = everything else is in cropping.=C2=A0 Maintenance is a real issue with = farmers and all the other joys involved.=C2=A0 Very early days and = little to no information other than power to weight is critical and here = the mazda is on its own.

Neil.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October = 20, 2021 10:53 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Ag Ops

 

Hi = Steve, hows the Glasair going? I been away from flying for awhile, = hopefully back into it in new year. Did start mine recently after it = been sitting idle since feb 2020, So happy I persevered with the mazda, = it started & ran so sweet I contemplated doing a couple of circuits = but for the legalities. No MR and I need AFR = first.

 

Neil, not sure I agree with your rotor setup proposal, = ( not that mine is better) can get some weird aerodynamics with = intermeshing rotors.

Whole thing of nurse cart & drone need to be a = package, rotors will never be stopped during refill so drone needs to = land on roof of truck or trailer for refill from underneath to keep = blades clear of dumbasses like me.

Truth be told, I dont think we can get anywhere near = the efficiency of a ground rig or Ag plane, we easily average 80 ha/hr = each machine + nurse cart, going to need a swarm of drones to get near = this. But could be a fun project.

Andrew

 

On = Tue, 19 Oct. 2021, 9:07 am Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com, <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> = wrote:

Good = to hear your voice Andrew.

My = son-in-law in Kojonup would be very interested in what you guys are = talking about.

 

Cheers

 

Steve Izett



 

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Regards Andrew Martin Martin = Ag

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