X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=4c7JG++7lJFmdB0VlCJzMA==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=hrdC1p5twJAA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=22ttcOq6noz49ONmrrEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net" Received: from sonic317-34.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 406982 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:50:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.163.184.45; envelope-from=finn.lassen@verizon.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1592916615; bh=1/f5DubQg7bv3xoCRuf9M4O9pnt0LOsPGN65x1zNsXw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=rpZpzwUhjDS1YRAXHir9bx/p2rSz3i6VMJzlgzXw9mYMtFqvloKOiBFUnKKbUhVtiHhR2+DIrNZH2rd6RNMcLRyPhyIro5ta73DXKyxUJ6VhDdwlZkJEvkdZdMdUgYFvH6/tllClY5VbxEYpmTAzLRvl4eHdJAyRgdGrp8O9UoU9IDXLC4tGwKxfb1Lf6LIIK/Jl8BtOhoNEdpB1DXB8umvCcVgnY5+cQqeAlwV9RqyiwTzrepwJiOZY5aa2GO/7hv3Zgz3CAkrcimBG63VLoUw2KdZJDI0F1fFUPsJt0S62qrs+o8Nc1NqTGtucBwk9LoUcFnKq2WiGRjJZ38ucvQ== X-YMail-OSG: ko5abpYVM1lMkbZi9bn.Fh84oSBmuxT45jNTyhbdkd.5JvdMSoo8OYJVjVA7C11 .U7nuyvyVD5owpT5QZRf6BJ8FsBAelWZTbl4fo9Jd4VEJK39oV3NR9knYk7Ks8TCNj5RuqSM6KdP jHSRbifH7MUXiK5mfxqpQ4AGCQvbv7LhpJfr5J1fwX1EKKxdlLm5wP2xceoQHx_slj.ySMPGCRCo 0NKBXbh8c2vhdwB5sIsNcuzQ6uI1ptfhBnF0AkEaU1XGz6aWQPCyylPVBc1NvYpOJOs29EbXrNqa 7Ht.zTivX71gofIsTqUG4ynBC4krZ1A50x_yKbcCl41Q6mH1UpqXnLJjgjv6zxkAbZLKl2Hg4oSV Nph7jSzb9.p4cW7l2K4bUyG5GFzWBGgkEU6VZWtfFBWAOOWkf6aaNB6gLl8MSBdywRPxUIdcm.hG Zf6QmsgnyHXdgHQlSLcKk5CerDNoYL.j5AW5AtoG4ZGXQs9wK3W0wPjL3_oOwgtjbOsMFi1COsIm 7s0.SomBred7J5aDkuOTP3t7uTYnrboQHWe7Iuzi5XS_m528IzIsx1YQ_MpR9c__mBBVI3a5LQUe TBWCgv5RjwGOVUIvPZSflnDxRHOpPg6k6flFn0BavZjpjXW.8r61I6vN94IcCYOQ2_xONNhpuSUw iVGGRIAPBN5AuwKCQBODAJZdqXdWbEuSWrHpSJG9Wjym685yOotrfYU_FJt.craDC1BsDDtm7Qlw d37kTJg6YKxnMAScC3ueCq139EkQeuJCO7OwccZI6B4AUfX85vQ20nmzmkOHW57y03VPt_OG5Man rYZDzL9n4vo2uwOkNKNgxd6F7hAL2Sn9BV1KrCGm27Yw0aEtRpYjPi_F6hHvIKq3TsoY6a6axIcp XGXqT4nzxiLnhWFYz1EOvUofCzZS1kDwhF_R_net083OasNAIsR3cPKk0bZnS1ASAejjunpAtjVc uxysPbk5lovk7o3c4P_O4HqKLO3D6g2jEfKry74aRkjgfMvckXaRRVdcNRNzbVnyCil_Z8L4jtBT VNG8wqQmg1otxUrMWoctKSPDVDOvYFcYwzrGpy_ofArS8lhJVMMqH.iplFjmvESUgGTzKDRy89g. sPDL6w7jr6ANtpqIloI4qDoieH_CruPACXF97GRZB05D1drEjrjBcaO6rfUldmBFhm99C2n87RVD dFXwvhUBfKWNWc7ezh4.ix2Gw5Epn134iGdfv1LlPeZP8_9BVWgQcMmUtoP65sOeRk0u7awwLYVn cQ787lssKwG1RR2r2n2DgT7a0vuFmCOflMvpaOEbiXZn6OtOWc1UQ_SfAN8Wx59ZaMbUmhF.tojC w1LWZROlCptr6zU21HSDaKEHPSrj0WEpU2ZkGBF7VP8aeogSp8WE1I8VqTuJe.FvBy0VIdjxcZzb QoFglgnyDM2g- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:50:15 +0000 Received: by smtp423.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ca6d1f8c95f319124c91ef6001bcb97d; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 hardware notes To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <653d0cb4-b3a6-3510-38f0-482c13aeadf8@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:50:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 hermes_aol Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.7) Content-Length: 4542 No sketch bit I'm sure that between my previous description and the picture you can figure it out. But first reprogram your chips with the fixed software. Finn On 6/22/2020 10:02 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks Finn. Did you previously give us a the circuit? Do you have a sketch of it? > I’ll mod the EC3 and see if that is the problem. > > Cheers > > Steve Izett > > > >> On 23 Jun 2020, at 9:59 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >> >> Well, that is what he told me to add to the EC3. That's all I know. >> >> Finn >> >> On 6/22/2020 9:37 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>> Thanks Finn. >>> Is this clamping circuit what Tracy used. >>> I’m trying to remember what he added in the EC2 though its in heatsink so I can’t tell looking. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>>> On 23 Jun 2020, at 9:22 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>> >>>> Just for the record. >>>> >>>> The 1K resistor and the two 2.7V zener diodes are the CAS input clamping circuit. >>>> >>>> The rest is for redundant +5V to control panel (mixture voltage being the critical one). >>>> Vcc3 is J2 pin1 (+5V to control panel). >>>> I just used BAX16 diodes because I had them. Any 100mA (16V reverse voltage or more) diode will do. >>>> LM78L05 flat side down. Left pin is output. Center pin is ground and right pin is input. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want to secure components against vibration make sure you use Natural Cure Sealant (non -acidic)! >>>> I'm using Dowsil 737 RTV sealant. >>>> The auto parts store RTV is acidic and you don't want your circuit board damaged (etched) by that. >>>> >>>> Finn >>>> >>>> On 6/17/2020 6:57 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>>> In addition to the CAS input clamping circuit, Tracy also recommends shorting pins 1 and 3 of D18. The voltage drop across the diode to the PCM module causes slightly lower mixture and program voltage than the software was programmed for. >>>>> >>>>> However, if you are powering A and B controllers separately (e.g. separate fuses or busses), I have a better idea. >>>>> 1) Remove the D18 diodes (just below C45 which they feed). >>>>> 2) Add a LM78L05 (or similar) voltage regulator. After each (A and B) of the power (L1 and L2) input coils (+ on the big C20 and C21 capacitors) feed the input of the LM78L05 with a diode. Output of it goes to J2 pin 2 (or + on C45). >>>>> >>>>> Same principle as powering the PCM from either of the 5V regulators on the EC3 board, but the 0.7V diode drop now happens before the regulator, not after the 5V. >>>>> >>>>> CAS input clamping circuit: >>>>> 1) A 1K resistor between J2-5 and J2-15 (CAS input and ground). >>>>> 2) Two 2.7V zener diodes in series, arrows or striped ends (anodes) connected together. The non-striped ends (cathodes) to J2-5 and J2-15 respectively (CAS input and ground). (Basically in parallel with the 1K resistor). If you got the polarity of the zener diodes correct you should see the signal from the CAS sensor clamped to no more than 0.7 + 2.7 = +-3.4 volts on an oscilloscope. >>>>> >>>>> I now have two bad chips (does not respond to reading or programming attempts -- do "work" in the EC3). The chip pins used to program the chip go to the Mode switch on the PCM. J2 pins 22 and 24. One might consider protection diodes for those pins. Oddly the pins continue working for Mode switch input, just not for re-programming the chip. >>>>> >>>>> The EC3 board was designed for in-circuit chip re-programming (set mode switch to zero or disconnect J2). Vpp/MasterClear are on J2 pin 11 (for A) and pin 1 (for B). PGC on pin 22 and PGD on pin 24. However, Tracy found that the combined capacitance of the programming pins of two chips made in circuit programming unreliable. I wonder if it might work if one could control the speed with which it communicates with the chip? >>>>> >>>>> Finn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >