X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=MvlwEDyywG5MngySn19H1g==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=hrdC1p5twJAA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=1-bpkf2ilQ6NmTeOXMIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net" Received: from sonic307-10.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.190.33] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 405802 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:59:36 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.163.190.33; envelope-from=finn.lassen@verizon.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1592877559; bh=7dYfzUp3BXIVBokz6tjzZw07/T2j8kB7KWoFqyTcwZk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=CPi8OBk6RRPTGr22pfBD7b5zRh/7ySG7mTEGkyoUVTGDqpcO5BmUm2reUC+2qcaIXN/YOAv8Ya2bgjZP5+AMDBMetjUr5mXqRGA7muLAYE6i0WtcEH6aReuK8ScS9mcn5p3EnxCc0hREY/H2icqRNTD/qRM5RvLfgOV9J2rLe5ykCDj1S/ubAiLP1cuvczjanvyRvMYyo6VrSkzcVG/wwQufweU8TlZrKruXv2y35WrH2oQpw5qhUm/am+JH6Qs96LIl/JQ4EXviI40seBdvPhFXvw0xoX9OK/zvfeEwBW9jJ3P3m6sN4GrXdYvQ1txEezZ4zS23m/Az5/dz0JFMAg== X-YMail-OSG: aQaqbPUVM1mKvSyWc_UkB0yn8PGGtKI.tuYipml0GsnLB.hPdP9uqyiisH4SJdW 8usp0VNNMdJw.eBY2GmEXVHQ05bf1pXWt6_VBvcFz26LvNgaYk2YPRewlwFkwliOiOE_o4dkS5k3 2v0OVLomtxSXMC9XN93qbD_u26f2vXQVS_lDV86.zX32KF1MD5xPd_i2TzektAiOb3l.qtJd.ANk .GPKcxj4eCzpT_YH0h0dYwEiP0hhDyhSI9KRga29XeIri4QYqGNRmaM9p0ywHKdzs_xZg.uR2J6v 7FnP9Qy34Vp7BgMehSDrBl6Tg_NDE8TfJz1MBc8iAASw8_eeNbfCK01ulJ5q3WVRuARzvuBjxcG9 ly387g4qCOYtjZjm1tTsb7V97MvrOkwlW5SBKvCFuH.mHOKd11JZVtOHhjYjVkZDAYaGFf.bjdVU BHWbwK9yVRXtBNO4OYOmkQ59ca.FdKVX79I1Ij4wJrCfg7tJmUJyMLzQmY8d4FYx3_U4Gea854jM S9dhlyenIN50FKBrcRk9xXTQgp3EJ7Ba0xzl9CHkLwnkOpTxKN67sSNwH0TJWHT0I82br55vR6vg ElZA5YXwLBG8j.b3Wi.hsShKBJPdBLkyGVlMmWGI0kUfB7.WNBZq03ljveGCaFz3SP4_2fbyN.ra PpXlJJb1ndcfnH_4_VyjSA8QtpZ1AI8gOGhVoMbVLAWVOtKjgHgX.YsuiV8p4iKPdGlzqwckdOKH 33M2TMbjLBbFR6MBgS2pkxVPrzS_pJuzyJxauOPstd3Z1kgh632LP3WzYa_JnNQsica83St.QyyJ ZwEBQMTtDvB7S.OtjtzVewnKWpF78hsjPXzP41yC_WAvs2c.eXVUMhxYxORGz4J6GFlXGHZOBG.d gRsWvtqVZVaEkrr.dcxKXFrY6eRNVxfUW52aV7ccF5hSw7wETcqJklEqf_jJ9Vp5D6eAxEV1Wi_F 49_.SMQtmBNMfdr9YiNBLHj4X5Rris_oEn.Co0whjis8V.5o6Zx1KFezRyA_.tYmav_HYMm4CdYJ QivN742KJCPy6UuiOxumNBJXByIIihTvWYg46ZoM0Srvx5pjtQN0irJjRvDNLwv1GInzGWUHaRDx WP.D6gTj2Y1ORJGvVCk.iGumfWN7JsURJKFAPFn2mhPSmFngR2yLmx3unsgmIzNGZLGZDPNYbG3P 8UlDso6Bi_X6hB4Fg16zZwgnGsAduzYWLuwgg9bKhVQsQO.aduXW.YuJnUti4qznF3Q1SPX6NVCe LpWXDxXrQQNPisM5Jm_dDSOP7LGjZ5xTnTCav6aD7i79YBuaGbJOLyiM7pVQ4g1msmmPX8lJy8G2 jVNlMOL2KEMsNFc_ZMsqwTgelidPQDI4M_ZhfHoNHHdL0BAUd43LEt61op_JtbK7ebEQk8BoneBq aPRtGS1Ia Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 01:59:19 +0000 Received: by smtp422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6dbebe5fe064c2b50111fd907ad43b8c; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 01:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 hardware notes To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <01374a80-574d-00e7-eeaf-214b097cc709@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:59:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 hermes_aol Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.7) Content-Length: 3656 Well, that is what he told me to add to the EC3. That's all I know. Finn On 6/22/2020 9:37 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks Finn. > Is this clamping circuit what Tracy used. > I’m trying to remember what he added in the EC2 though its in heatsink so I can’t tell looking. > > Steve > >> On 23 Jun 2020, at 9:22 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >> >> Just for the record. >> >> The 1K resistor and the two 2.7V zener diodes are the CAS input clamping circuit. >> >> The rest is for redundant +5V to control panel (mixture voltage being the critical one). >> Vcc3 is J2 pin1 (+5V to control panel). >> I just used BAX16 diodes because I had them. Any 100mA (16V reverse voltage or more) diode will do. >> LM78L05 flat side down. Left pin is output. Center pin is ground and right pin is input. >> >> >> If you want to secure components against vibration make sure you use Natural Cure Sealant (non -acidic)! >> I'm using Dowsil 737 RTV sealant. >> The auto parts store RTV is acidic and you don't want your circuit board damaged (etched) by that. >> >> Finn >> >> On 6/17/2020 6:57 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>> In addition to the CAS input clamping circuit, Tracy also recommends shorting pins 1 and 3 of D18. The voltage drop across the diode to the PCM module causes slightly lower mixture and program voltage than the software was programmed for. >>> >>> However, if you are powering A and B controllers separately (e.g. separate fuses or busses), I have a better idea. >>> 1) Remove the D18 diodes (just below C45 which they feed). >>> 2) Add a LM78L05 (or similar) voltage regulator. After each (A and B) of the power (L1 and L2) input coils (+ on the big C20 and C21 capacitors) feed the input of the LM78L05 with a diode. Output of it goes to J2 pin 2 (or + on C45). >>> >>> Same principle as powering the PCM from either of the 5V regulators on the EC3 board, but the 0.7V diode drop now happens before the regulator, not after the 5V. >>> >>> CAS input clamping circuit: >>> 1) A 1K resistor between J2-5 and J2-15 (CAS input and ground). >>> 2) Two 2.7V zener diodes in series, arrows or striped ends (anodes) connected together. The non-striped ends (cathodes) to J2-5 and J2-15 respectively (CAS input and ground). (Basically in parallel with the 1K resistor). If you got the polarity of the zener diodes correct you should see the signal from the CAS sensor clamped to no more than 0.7 + 2.7 = +-3.4 volts on an oscilloscope. >>> >>> I now have two bad chips (does not respond to reading or programming attempts -- do "work" in the EC3). The chip pins used to program the chip go to the Mode switch on the PCM. J2 pins 22 and 24. One might consider protection diodes for those pins. Oddly the pins continue working for Mode switch input, just not for re-programming the chip. >>> >>> The EC3 board was designed for in-circuit chip re-programming (set mode switch to zero or disconnect J2). Vpp/MasterClear are on J2 pin 11 (for A) and pin 1 (for B). PGC on pin 22 and PGD on pin 24. However, Tracy found that the combined capacitance of the programming pins of two chips made in circuit programming unreliable. I wonder if it might work if one could control the speed with which it communicates with the chip? >>> >>> Finn >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >