X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Neil Unger" Received: from nsstlmta10p.bpe.bigpond.com ([203.38.21.10] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.12) with ESMTPS id 9040209 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 00:55:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.38.21.10; envelope-from=unger1948@bigpond.com Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep10p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20161017045520.IWKM804.nsstlfep10p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:55:20 +1100 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A150207.580459B8.0058,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using ID unger1948@bigpond.com Received: from [10.0.0.136] (121.216.40.124) by smtp.telstra.com (9.0.018.03.01) (authenticated as unger1948@bigpond.com) id 579A4D55042B491E for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:55:20 +1100 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: New Gearbox and P-Port Renesis Update- for Neil Unger To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <0588a0f0-09d4-6741-b013-675fb9a4bd8b@bigpond.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:54:38 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------427766FB4E17C5BF2DE223CC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------427766FB4E17C5BF2DE223CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kelly, on the twin TB they are 50 mm while on the single (cheaper) is 80 mm, comes off a V8. Neil. On 10/17/2016 3:30 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Neil, > What size are the throttle body throats ??............ > > Kelly Troyer > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Neil Unger > > wrote: > > Charlie If your eyes are good enough you can jsu see the threads > on the inlet P port plugs. They are joined with the clamp to the > TB's. I Have another close up I will try and find. Neil > > > On 10/17/2016 2:33 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> And total size of the email must be less than 200K, if memory >> serves. Do you have any image resizing software? >> >> Charlie >> (wanting to see details on those screw-in P-ports) >> >> On 10/16/2016 10:26 PM, Neil Unger wrote: >>> >>> Chris, Only one Pic per email seems to be the go, Neil >>> >>> >>> On 10/17/2016 2:07 PM, Christian And Tam wrote: >>>> No worries >>>> Do you have a personal email as I can't seem to post to this >>>> forum with pics >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 6:34 am, Bobby J. Hughes >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> What manifold pressure do you see at idle? I would love to >>>>> see a few pictures of your FWF. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bobby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christian And Tamara Mcdonald >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Bobby >>>>>> I went for a single 90mm tb and plenum over the opposite side >>>>>> of the motor and seems to work well, idles at approx 2150 and >>>>>> happily there. >>>>>> Could get lower but prop speed is low enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Christian >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, 17 October 2016, Bobby J. Hughes >>>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Individual TB's were used so they could be located as >>>>>> close to the block as possible for improved idle and >>>>>> throttle response. Idle is still at 18" MP cold and a >>>>>> little lower after warm up. The renesis should have >>>>>> little or no overlap so the single throttle body before >>>>>> the intake manifold appears to work well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sale is pending for second buyer. Not sure if engine is >>>>>> staying with the plane or being removed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobby >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Oct 16, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bill Bradburry >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Bobby, >>>>>> > Do you know why he did the three TBs and not a plenum >>>>>> with one TB? >>>>>> > Also I thought I saw where the sale of his plane was >>>>>> pending. What is going on there? Was it sold as a flying >>>>>> plane or did you remove the engine? >>>>>> > Bill >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>>>> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:50 AM >>>>>> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>>>> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Gearbox and P-Port Renesis >>>>>> Update- for Neil Unger >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Mark Steitle experienced sticky slide throttle. He >>>>>> modified it several times and eventually switched to one >>>>>> butterfly TB per rotor. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Bobby >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sent from my iPad >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Neil Unger >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Doug, Had severe problems with a slide throttle, went >>>>>> with butterfly and no problems since. Neil. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> On 10/16/2016 7:07 PM, Doug Lomheim wrote: >>>>>> >>> Hi Neil: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I have read where some P-Port attempts have resulted >>>>>> in a “sticky†throttle due to suction at certain >>>>>> power applications, etc. Do you experience any issues >>>>>> such as that with your set up? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> thx. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Doug >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>> >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>> >>> Archive and UnSub: >>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>> >> Archive and UnSub: >>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>> > Archive and UnSub: >>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>> > Archive and UnSub: >>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: >>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> > --------------427766FB4E17C5BF2DE223CC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Kelly, on the twin TB they are 50 mm while on the single (cheaper) is 80 mm, comes off a V8.  Neil.


On 10/17/2016 3:30 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:
Neil,
  What size are the throttle body throats ??............

Kelly Troyer

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Charlie  If your eyes are good enough you can jsu see the threads on the inlet P port plugs.  They are joined with the clamp to the TB's.  I Have another close up I will try and find.  Neil


On 10/17/2016 2:33 PM, Charlie England wrote:
And total size of the email must be less than 200K, if memory serves. Do you have any image resizing software?

Charlie
(wanting to see details on those screw-in P-ports)

On 10/16/2016 10:26 PM, Neil Unger wrote:

Chris,  Only one Pic per email seems to be the go,  Neil


On 10/17/2016 2:07 PM, Christian And Tam wrote:
No worries
Do you have a personal email as I can't seem to post to this forum with pics

Cheers

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Oct 2016, at 6:34 am, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Christian
What manifold pressure do you see at idle?  I would love to see a few pictures of your FWF. 


Bobby





Sent from my iPad

On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christian And Tamara Mcdonald <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Hi Bobby
I went for a single 90mm tb and plenum over the opposite side of the motor and seems to work well, idles at approx 2150 and happily there.
Could get lower but prop speed is low enough.

Cheers
Christian

On Monday, 17 October 2016, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Individual TB's were used so they could be located as close to the block as possible for improved idle and throttle response. Idle is still at 18"  MP cold and a little lower after warm up. The renesis should have little or no overlap so the single throttle body before the intake manifold appears to work well.

Sale is pending for second buyer. Not sure if engine is staying with the plane or being removed.

Bobby

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> Bobby,
> Do you know why he did the three TBs and not a plenum with one TB?
> Also I thought I saw where the sale of his plane was pending.  What is going on there?  Was it sold as a flying plane or did you remove the engine?
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:50 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Gearbox and P-Port Renesis Update- for Neil Unger
>
> Mark Steitle experienced sticky slide throttle. He modified it several times and eventually switched to one butterfly TB per rotor.
>
> Bobby
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Doug,  Had severe problems with a slide throttle,  went with butterfly and no problems since.  Neil.
>>
>>
>>> On 10/16/2016 7:07 PM, Doug Lomheim wrote:
>>> Hi Neil:
>>>
>>> I have read where some P-Port attempts have resulted in a “sticky† throttle due to suction at certain power applications, etc.  Do you experience any issues such as that with your set up?
>>>
>>> thx.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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