Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #62018
From: Ed Anderson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 22:43:22 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
Staying busy and getting older, Bill. 
 
For everyone's information, Sam Hodges flew his very nice looking Renesis powered RV-7 to Oshkosh this year.  Some of you met Sam at the Paducah fly in back a “few” years ago.  I guess lack of any rotary forums made it difficult for Rotor heads to find each other in that crowd.
 
Me, I’m still selling an occasional EFISM, but mainly focused on a new version of the EI Commander, my ignition monitor and controller developed for the popular electronic ignition – the Pmags.  New version has a much larger screen 2.4” vs 1.5” and I am currently working on a Knock Sensor feature for the Lycoming crowd.  Some fairly recent developments in Knock sensors and processors makes it appear that this may be doable.  IF it works out, the Lycoming crowd could safely run more ignition advance than they currently do saving some on few and adding power – IF it works out.
 
In any case, the research and work keeps the old brain from locking up.
 
But, I do miss being a more active part of the rotary community – my heart sort of got broken when Mazda decided not to make the new 16X rotary.  I already had my pennies saved up to buy a crate engine – ah, well.
 
I do have continue to monitor and enjoy the list – keep it going
 
Best Regards
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com
 
: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives
 

Dang!  Two guys we haven’t heard from in a long time coming out of the woodwork at the same time!

 

Lynn and Ed!  What has been going on with you guys lately?

 

Bill

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

 

The Ross unit had no thrust bearings and used the engines thrust bearings for that function. OK on most engines where plain bearings control thrust but in the rotary small needles do that and cannot survive long.

Tracy's units have a thrust set installed.

Ross units built after the principal died had suspect quality.............

 

Lynn E. Hanover

 

In a message dated 7/28/2015 12:23:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Hi Bill,

 

I flew around 200 hrs with the Ross Drive before finding that the sun gear was galling.  Apparently marginal lubrication in some of the Ross units was a problem.

 

By that time, Tracy had his Re-drive on the market, so rather than mess with the Ross (still have it), I purchased one of Tracy’s and never had a problem.  Well, one – I had the entire aluminum area nickel plated for corriosion and appearance.  They erroneously coated the inside of tunnel for  the shaft area of the nose part reducing the area for oil flow.  Went out one morning and noticed that it was hard to pull through, I tried to start the engine and it rotated a few degrees and just stopped.  Fortunately, I desisted at that point and stopped.  Got out and found the prop frozen.  Took it off and shipped to Tracy, he milled a few 1/10000 off the inside of the shaft tunnel and I now have around 400 hours on it.  Love it!

 

Ed

 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 11:56 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

 

I stand corrected.  This drive would only have a couple of teeth in contact at any one time.  How many are in contact with the RD1-C?

What was the problem with the Ross if you know?

Bill


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:37 AM
To:
Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

 

No, Tracy started off with a Ross Drive

The Marcotte drive is a different configuration than Tracy’s “Ford-6” planetary gear set:  read for yourself …  http://www.sdsefi.com/air14.html

Jeff

From:

Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Subject:

RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

Date:

Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:22:59 -0500

To:

'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

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Jeff,

If I am not mistaken, Tracy started off using a Marcotte drive on his RV-4.  That drive I think is what inspired him to develop his own drive.  It would take a pretty bad experience to inspire me to that extent!  :>)

Bill

 

 

From: Jeff Whaley
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'Mark Steitle'
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

 

I see the aircraft was equipped with an Aluminum Propellor – which may have lead to the prop shaft fracturing?

 

I can’t vouch for the “Marcotte Drive” but Ross Parnham (referenced on this list for P51 style radiator install) uses the Marcotte Drive on his Subaru-powered RV6, mated to a composite prop.  The website shows a picture of re-drive and bell housing mated to a 13B …  http://glasairproject.com/Marcotte/index.html

Jeff

 

From: Mark Steitle [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

 

Search YouTube under "LS1 Glasair 111 at Paducah, Ky" for a video of this a/c idling.  You can hear him saying the PSRU builder is "belly up". 

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On Jul 27, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Tom Mann <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

That was during the Canard Fly-in at Rough River 2011

 

 

From: Mark Steitle

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:02 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

 

That looks a lot like the gearbox that failed, killing the pilot when the engine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel building.  It was about a week after the alternative engine fly-in at Ed's place in Paduka, KY.  As I recall, it was a Glasair III with a turbo-charged LS1.  I have video of a ground run around here somewhere.  Real sad story.  Can anyone confirm whether or not it was the same make psru?  I never read the final accident report.

 

Mark

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Bill Schertz <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the psru’s offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later today as every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have there own oil supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will provide oil for a constant speed prop, and are available in many reduction ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-B, the casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and it has a centrifugal clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so when starting there is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy’s

 

I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them.

 

Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?

 

Tracy,

    That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing how it was put together by me along with your knowledge and experience. The thought of someone just starting out making them does not sit well with me as they are an unknown.

   Let me know what you think and I will be in touch.

Thanks for your time!

~~~tg~~~

 

 


From: Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To:
Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in
Oshkosh?

 

The design is royalty free.  Anyone who wants to build it is more than welcome.   I can help with info if you need it.

 

Tracy

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