X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Les C" Received: from SNT004-OMC2S3.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.4) with ESMTPS id 7871503 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:26:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.90.78; envelope-from=lesphoto@hotmail.com Received: from SNT405-EAS330 ([65.55.90.72]) by SNT004-OMC2S3.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:26:00 -0700 X-TMN: [PS9mxNKTvEWCQUqvvvuLsRpY6VnUjKde] X-Originating-Email: [lesphoto@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: lesphoto@hotmail.com To: flyrotary Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtGbHlSb3RhcnldIFJlOiBBbHRlcm5hdGl2ZSByZWRyaXZlcw==?= Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2_1438097158129" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2015 15:26:00.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[B58740C0:01D0C949] Date: 28 Jul 2015 08:26:00 -0700 ------=_Part_2_1438097158129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I think he used a Ross drive=2C then built his own. He talks about it in hi= s conversion manual... Les Criscillo ----- Reply message ----- From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives Date: Tue=2C Jul 28=2C 2015 11:23 Jeff=2C If I am not mistaken=2C Tracy started off using a Marcotte drive on his RV-= 4. That drive I think is what inspired him to develop his own drive. It would take a pretty bad experience to inspire me to that extent! :>) Bill _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: Tuesday=2C July 28=2C 2015 9:17 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives I see the aircraft was equipped with an Aluminum Propellor - which may have lead to the prop shaft fracturing? I can't vouch for the "Marcotte Drive" but Ross Parnham (referenced on this list for P51 style radiator install) uses the Marcotte Drive on his Subaru-powered RV6=2C mated to a composite prop. The website shows a pictu= re of re-drive and bell housing mated to a 13B . http://glasairproject.com/Marcotte/index.html Jeff From: Mark Steitle [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: Monday=2C July 27=2C 2015 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives Search YouTube under "LS1 Glasair 111 at Paducah=2C Ky" for a video of this a/c idling. You can hear him saying the PSRU builder is "belly up". Sent from my iPad On Jul 27=2C 2015=2C at 2:38 PM=2C Tom Mann w= rote: That was during the Canard Fly-in at Rough River 2011 http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/GeneratePDF.aspx?id=3DERA11FA512 &rpt=3Dfi From: Mark Steitle Sent: Monday=2C July 27=2C 2015 2:02 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives That looks a lot like the gearbox that failed=2C killing the pilot when the engine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel building. It was about a week after the alternative engine fly-in at Ed's place in Paduka=2C KY. As I recall=2C it was a Glasair III with a turbo-ch= arged LS1. I have video of a ground run around here somewhere. Real sad story. Can anyone confirm whether or not it was the same make psru? I never read the final accident report. Mark On Mon=2C Jul 27=2C 2015 at 11:31 AM=2C Bill Schertz wrote: I went back to the exhibit buildings=2C and took some photos of the psru's offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later today as every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive=2C have there own oil sup= ply and pump=2C use pressure fed roller bearings=2C will provide oil for a cons= tant speed prop=2C and are available in many reduction ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through=2C suitable for the 13-B=2C the casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping=2C and it has a centrifugal clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm=2C so whe= n starting there is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy's I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them. From: Tom Gillespie Sent: Sunday=2C July 26=2C 2015 1:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? Tracy=2C That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing how it was put together by me along with your knowledge and experience. The thought of someone just starting out making them does not sit well with me as they are an unknown. Let me know what you think and I will be in touch. Thanks for your time! ~~~tg~~~ _____ From: Tracy To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sunday=2C July 26=2C 2015 10:04 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? The design is royalty free. Anyone who wants to build it is more than welcome. I can help with info if you need it. Tracy Sent from my iPad This message=2C and the documents attached hereto=2C is intended only for t= he addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error=2C please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. ------=_Part_2_1438097158129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I think he used a Ross drive=2C then built his own. He tal= ks about it in his conversion manual...

Les Criscillo

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From: "=3BBill Bradburry"=3B <=3Bflyrotary@lancaironline.net>= =3B
To: "=3BRotary motors in aircraft"=3B <=3Bflyrotary@lancaironline= .net>=3B
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives
Date: Tue=2C Jul 28=2C 2015 11:23

Jeff=2C

If I am no= t mistaken=2C Tracy started off using a Marcotte drive on his RV-4. =3B= That drive I think is what inspired him to develop his own drive. =3B It would take a pretty bad experience to inspire me to = that extent! =3B :>=3B)

 =3B

Bill

 =3B

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net]
Sent: Tuesday=2C July 28=2C = 2015 9:17 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alt= ernative redrives

 =3B

= I see the aircraft was equipped with an Aluminum Propellor =E2=80=93 which = may have lead to the prop shaft fracturing?

=  =3B

= I can=E2=80=99t vouch for the =E2=80=9CMarcotte Drive=E2=80=9D but Ross Par= nham (referenced on this list for P51 style radiator install) uses the Marcotte Drive on his Subaru-powered RV6=2C mated to a composite prop.&nbs= p=3B The website shows a picture of re-drive and bell housing mated to a 13= B =E2=80=A6 =3B http://glasairpro= ject.com/Marcotte/index.html

= Jeff

=  =3B

From: Mark Steitle [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Monday=2C July 27=2C 2= 015 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re:= Alternative redrives

 =3B

Search YouTube under "=3BLS1 Glasair 111 at Pa= ducah=2C Ky"=3B for a video of this a/c idling.  =3BYou can hear hi= m saying the PSRU builder is "=3Bbelly up"=3B.  =3B

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 27=2C 2015=2C at 2:38 PM=2C Tom Mann <=3Bflyrotary@lancaironline.net>=3B wrote:

= That= was during the Canard Fly-in at Rough River 2011

= &nbs= p=3B

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=3B font-family:Tahoma=3B color:black"> = =3B

Sent: Monday=2C July 27=2C 2015 2:02 PM

Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

= &nbs= p=3B

= That= looks a lot like the gearbox that failed=2C killing the pilot when the eng= ine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel building. =3B It was about a week after the alternativ= e engine fly-in at Ed's place in Paduka=2C KY. =3B As I recall=2C it wa= s a Glasair III with a turbo-charged LS1. =3B I have video of a ground = run around here somewhere. =3B Real sad story. =3B Can anyone confi= rm whether or not it was the same make psru? =3B I never read the final a= ccident report.

= &nbs= p=3B

= Mark

= &nbs= p=3B

= On M= on=2C Jul 27=2C 2015 at 11:31 AM=2C Bill Schertz <=3Bflyrotary@lancaironline.net>=3B wrote:

= &nbs= p=3B

= I ha= ve to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them.=

Tracy=2C

 =3B =3B =3B That is very interesti= ng! Could one be built specifically for my combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing how it was put together by me a= long with your knowledge and experience. The thought of someone just starti= ng out making them does not sit well with me as they are an unknown.=

 =3B =3B Let me know what you think and= I will be in touch.

Thanks for your time!

~~~tg~~~

 =3B

 =3B

From: Tracy <=3Bflyrotary@lancaironline.net>=3B
To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t <=3Bfl= yrotary@lancaironline.net>=3B
Sent: Sunday=2C July 26=2C 2= 015 10:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Any= one or everyone in Oshkosh?<= /p>

 =3B

The design is royalty free. =3B Anyone who = wants to build it is more than welcome. =3B =3B I can help with info if you need it.

 =3B

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

 =3B

This message=2C and the documents attached hereto= =2C is intended only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confid= ential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error=2C plea= se notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Pleas= e then delete the original message. Thank you.

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