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[104.7.222.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yo9sm11358327obc.3.2015.07.27.16.04.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-485E482C-31BF-475C-A9F8-75E7C9EBBF40 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12H143) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1EF2C5DC-EB53-43F9-9F1B-E593E435A1C2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:04:42 -0500 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-485E482C-31BF-475C-A9F8-75E7C9EBBF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Search YouTube under "LS1 Glasair 111 at Paducah, Ky" for a video of this a/= c idling. You can hear him saying the PSRU builder is "belly up". =20 Sent from my iPad > On Jul 27, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Tom Mann wrote:= >=20 > That was during the Canard Fly-in at Rough River 2011 > =20 > http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/GeneratePDF.aspx?id=3DERA11FA51= 2&rpt=3Dfi > =20 > From: Mark Steitle > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:02 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives > =20 > That looks a lot like the gearbox that failed, killing the pilot when the e= ngine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel building.= It was about a week after the alternative engine fly-in at Ed's place in P= aduka, KY. As I recall, it was a Glasair III with a turbo-charged LS1. I h= ave video of a ground run around here somewhere. Real sad story. Can anyon= e confirm whether or not it was the same make psru? I never read the final a= ccident report. > =20 > Mark > =20 >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Bill Schertz wrote: >> I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the psru=E2= =80=99s offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later today as e= very thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have there own oil s= upply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will provide oil for a con= stant speed prop, and are available in many reduction ratios. They make a un= it that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-B, the casing is CNC ma= chined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and it has a centrifugal= clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so when starting the= re is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy=E2=80=99s >> =20 >> I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them. >> =20 >> From: Tom Gillespie >> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? >> =20 >> Tracy, >> That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my comb= ination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing how it wa= s put together by me along with your knowledge and experience. The thought o= f someone just starting out making them does not sit well with me as they ar= e an unknown. >> Let me know what you think and I will be in touch. >> Thanks for your time! >> ~~~tg~~~ >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: Tracy >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 >> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? >> =20 >> The design is royalty free. Anyone who wants to build it is more than we= lcome. I can help with info if you need it. >> =20 >> Tracy >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann wro= te: >>>=20 >>> Well, barring the passage of the =E2=80=9CAffordable Airplane Act=E2=80=9D= perhaps we should start trying to solve our own problems. >>> I don=E2=80=99t know what the transaction was regarding production of Tr= acy=E2=80=99s design but if it=E2=80=99s based off of royalties for every un= it sold, I would say that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone. >>> =20 >>> Perhaps a competitive bid is in order? >>> =20 >>> From: Fly Rotary >>> Sent: =E2=80=8ESaturday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EJuly=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E25=E2=80= =8E, =E2=80=8E2015 =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E38=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM >>> To: Fly Rotary >>> =20 >>> Absent a viable PSRU solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary eng= ine option=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 :>( >>> =20 >>> B2 >>> =20 >>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 >>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:01 PM >>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? >>> =20 >>> =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of rotaries. >>> ________________________________________________________________________= ___ >>> =20 >>> What I have found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine forum,= you have to do it yourself.=20 >>> If I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do not,= it would not be appropriate. >>> =20 >>> We should make an effort to have a =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D forum an= d present our case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative to the pist= on solution. >>> I would propose that this comes from our group rather than as a piggy-ba= ck on to any of the other alternative engine groups. >>> I would not want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the Corv= air, Subaru and Volkswagen groups. >>> =20 >>> If you want to see it there, you have to make it happen. >>> =20 >>> T Mann >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-485E482C-31BF-475C-A9F8-75E7C9EBBF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Search YouTube under "LS1 Glasair 111 a= t Paducah, Ky" for a video of this a/c idling.  You can hear him saying= the PSRU builder is "belly up".  

Sent from my iPad
<= br>On Jul 27, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Tom Mann <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

That was during the Canard Fly-in at Rough River 2011
 
 
From: Mark Steitle
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives
 
That looks a lot like the gearbox that failed, killing the pilot when t= he=20 engine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel=20 building.  It was about a week after the alternative engine fly-in at E= d's=20 place in Paduka, KY.  As I recall, it was a Glasair III with a=20 turbo-charged LS1.  I have video of a ground run around here=20 somewhere.  Real sad story.  Can anyone confirm whether or not it w= as=20 the same make psru?  I never read the final accident report.
 
Mark
 
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Bill Schertz <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the psr= u=E2=80=99s=20 offered by www.auto= psrus.com . I will forward these later today as=20 every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have there own oi= l=20 supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will provide oil for a=20= constant speed prop, and are available in many reduction ratios. They make= a=20 unit that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-B, the casing is CN= C=20 machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and it has a centrif= ugal=20 clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so when starting th= ere=20 is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy=E2=80=99s
 
I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them.
 
From: Tom Gillespie=20
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in=20 Oshkosh?
 
Tracy,
    That is very interesting! Could one be= built=20 specifically for my combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace= of=20 mind knowing how it was put together by me along with your knowledge and=20= experience. The thought of someone just starting out making them does not s= it=20 well with me as they are an unknown.
   Let me know what you think and I will be in=20= touch.
Thanks for your time!
~~~tg~~~
 


From:= =20 Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?
 
The design is royalty free.  Anyone who wants to build it is mor= e=20 than welcome.   I can help with info if you need it.
 
Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
<= br clear=3D"none">
Well, barring the passage of the =E2=80=9C= Affordable=20 Airplane Act=E2=80=9D perhaps we should start trying to solve our own pr= oblems.=20
I don=E2=80=99t know what the transaction= was regarding=20 production of Tracy=E2=80=99s design but if it=E2=80=99s based off of ro= yalties for every=20 unit sold, I would say that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone.
 
Perhaps a competitive bid is in order?
 
=
From: Fly Rotary
Sent: =E2=80=8ESaturd= ay=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EJuly=E2=80=8E=20 =E2=80=8E25=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2015 =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E38=E2=80= =8E =E2=80=8EPM
To: Fly R= otary
 
Absent a viable=20 PSRU solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary engine option=E2=80= =9D=E2=80=A6 =20 :>(
 
B2
 
From:=20= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancair= online.net]
Sent= : Saturday,=20 July 25, 2015 2:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?<= /div>
<= /span> 
=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of=20 rotaries.
_= __________________________________________________________________________
<= /span> 
W= hat I have=20 found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine forum, you have to= do=20 it yourself.
I= f I had a=20 flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do not, it would n= ot=20 be appropriate.
<= /span> 
W= e should make=20 an effort to have a =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D forum and present our c= ase for the Rotary=20 Engine as a viable alternative to the piston=20 solution.
I= would propose=20 that this comes from our group rather than as a piggy-back on to any of t= he=20 other alternative engine groups.
I= would not=20 want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the Corvair, Subaru a= nd=20 Volkswagen groups.
<= /span> 
I= f you want to=20 see it there, you have to make it happen.
<= /span> 
T= =20 Mann


<= /div>
 
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