X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Tom Mann" Received: from mail.infosaic.com ([216.226.129.129] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.4) with ESMTPS id 7869484 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:39:31 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.226.129.129; envelope-from=tmann@n200lz.com Received: from DSS04 (v-209-134-133-68.ip.visi.com [209.134.133.68]) by mail.infosaic.com with SMTP (version=Tls cipher=Aes128 bits=128); Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: <6D0E42407F6C47C7B0E57C5670B82D61@DSS04> Reply-To: "Tom Mann" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:38:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F6_01D0C879.F1353B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01D0C879.F1353B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was during the Canard Fly-in at Rough River 2011 http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/GeneratePDF.aspx?id=3DERA11FA5= 12&rpt=3Dfi From: Mark Steitle=20 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:02 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives That looks a lot like the gearbox that failed, killing the pilot when = the engine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel = building. It was about a week after the alternative engine fly-in at = Ed's place in Paduka, KY. As I recall, it was a Glasair III with a = turbo-charged LS1. I have video of a ground run around here somewhere. = Real sad story. Can anyone confirm whether or not it was the same make = psru? I never read the final accident report. Mark=20 On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Bill Schertz = wrote: I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the = psru=E2=80=99s offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later = today as every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have = there own oil supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will = provide oil for a constant speed prop, and are available in many = reduction ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through, = suitable for the 13-B, the casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel = for the torque damping, and it has a centrifugal clutch that disengages = the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so when starting there is no prop load. = Will likely be heavier than Tracy=E2=80=99s I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them. From: Tom Gillespie=20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? Tracy, That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my = combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing = how it was put together by me along with your knowledge and experience. = The thought of someone just starting out making them does not sit well = with me as they are an unknown. Let me know what you think and I will be in touch. Thanks for your time! ~~~tg~~~ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Tracy To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? The design is royalty free. Anyone who wants to build it is more than = welcome. I can help with info if you need it. Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann = wrote: Well, barring the passage of the =E2=80=9CAffordable Airplane = Act=E2=80=9D perhaps we should start trying to solve our own problems.=20 I don=E2=80=99t know what the transaction was regarding production = of Tracy=E2=80=99s design but if it=E2=80=99s based off of royalties for = every unit sold, I would say that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone.=20 Perhaps a competitive bid is in order? From: Fly Rotary Sent: =E2=80=8ESaturday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EJuly=E2=80=8E = =E2=80=8E25=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2015 = =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E38=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM To: Fly Rotary Absent a viable PSRU solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary = engine option=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 :>( B2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:01 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of rotaries.=20 = _________________________________________________________________________= __ What I have found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine = forum, you have to do it yourself.=20 If I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do = not, it would not be appropriate. We should make an effort to have a =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D = forum and present our case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative = to the piston solution. I would propose that this comes from our group rather than as a = piggy-back on to any of the other alternative engine groups. I would not want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the = Corvair, Subaru and Volkswagen groups. If you want to see it there, you have to make it happen. T Mann ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01D0C879.F1353B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That was during the Canard Fly-in at Rough River 2011
 
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/Gener= atePDF.aspx?id=3DERA11FA512&rpt=3Dfi
 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative = redrives
 
That looks a lot like the gearbox that failed, killing the pilot = when the=20 engine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel=20 building.  It was about a week after the alternative engine fly-in = at Ed's=20 place in Paduka, KY.  As I recall, it was a Glasair III with a=20 turbo-charged LS1.  I have video of a ground run around here=20 somewhere.  Real sad story.  Can anyone confirm whether or not = it was=20 the same make psru?  I never read the final accident report.
 
Mark
 
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Bill Schertz = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the = psru=E2=80=99s=20 offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later = today as=20 every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have there = own oil=20 supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will provide oil = for a=20 constant speed prop, and are available in many reduction ratios. They = make a=20 unit that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-B, the casing = is CNC=20 machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and it has a = centrifugal=20 clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so when = starting there=20 is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy=E2=80=99s
 
I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send = them.
 
From: Tom = Gillespie=20
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in=20 Oshkosh?
 
Tracy,
    That is very interesting! Could one = be built=20 specifically for my combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more = peace of=20 mind knowing how it was put together by me along with your knowledge = and=20 experience. The thought of someone just starting out making them does = not sit=20 well with me as they are an unknown.
   Let me know what you think and I will be = in=20 touch.
Thanks for your time!
~~~tg~~~
 


From:=20 Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 = 10:04 AMSubject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?
 
The design is royalty free.  Anyone who wants to build it is = more=20 than welcome.   I can help with info if you need it.
 
Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Well, barring the passage of the = =E2=80=9CAffordable=20 Airplane Act=E2=80=9D perhaps we should start trying to solve our = own problems.=20
I don=E2=80=99t know what the = transaction was regarding=20 production of Tracy=E2=80=99s design but if it=E2=80=99s based off = of royalties for every=20 unit sold, I would say that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone. =
 
Perhaps a competitive bid is in = order?
 
From: Fly Rotary
Sent: = =E2=80=8ESaturday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EJuly=E2=80=8E=20 =E2=80=8E25=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2015 = =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E38=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM
To: Fly Rotary
 
Absent a = viable=20 PSRU solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary engine = option=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 =20 :>(
 
B2
 
From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: = Saturday,=20 July 25, 2015 2:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraftSubject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?
 
=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of=20 rotaries.
___________________________________________________________________= ________
 
What I have=20 found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine forum, you = have to do=20 it yourself.
If I had a=20 flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do not, it = would not=20 be appropriate.
 
We should make=20 an effort to have a =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D forum and present = our case for the Rotary=20 Engine as a viable alternative to the piston=20 solution.
I = would propose=20 that this comes from our group rather than as a piggy-back on to any = of the=20 other alternative engine groups.
I = would not=20 want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the Corvair, = Subaru and=20 Volkswagen groups.
 
If you want to=20 see it there, you have to make it happen.
 
T = = Mann
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