X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Mark Steitle" Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com ([209.85.212.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.4) with ESMTPS id 7869362 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:03:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.178; envelope-from=msdstx@gmail.com Received: by wicmv11 with SMTP id mv11so151337846wic.0 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=heHtL0tatJp+v+UkIGFZRurtay/WbRS4SDy6IIec0J8=; b=fev4dgG1hqNiZVv28IeHUwfSNOFm25WYTiyZ4IEsBs5WGUpUSxUR64ohmENgNdkKxa POZWVCq6kYhrm81d4FbFjzJ/CakAPPYyj0vf9u7NxSef3vUA601/9ejyGJlTeHieChQ1 0q+wqpAPV9P0EnEwI6LyCkk1nfRCIlHkE7nqMlbhgmgVMvZshzXYnRpehs8eRNNoGkhD R7VNHjWYh4RqCiZu+3TzRHnWSTX/OWtSSQWKAFVRy4CJVpX+6oNqawISk4sRDyi+wxbe ydQuPGNJpVisOkpdXqX60P0/GprIM5TL75UVzxxvuBAAHRUUxsC1p/Nm/+Az/822EGTD V8lQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.21.169 with SMTP id w9mr27027291wie.73.1438023754962; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.125.202 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:02:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Alternative redrives To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bae48f417dbff051bdfff3f --047d7bae48f417dbff051bdfff3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That looks a lot like the gearbox that failed, killing the pilot when the engine disengaged from the prop and he dead-sticked it into a hotel building. It was about a week after the alternative engine fly-in at Ed's place in Paduka, KY. As I recall, it was a Glasair III with a turbo-charged LS1. I have video of a ground run around here somewhere. Real sad story. Can anyone confirm whether or not it was the same make psru? I never read the final accident report. Mark On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Bill Schertz wrote: > I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the > psru=E2=80=99s offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later = today as > every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have there own o= il > supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will provide oil for a > constant speed prop, and are available in many reduction ratios. They mak= e > a unit that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-B, the casing is > CNC machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and it has a > centrifugal clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so whe= n > starting there is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy=E2=80= =99s > > I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them. > > *From:* Tom Gillespie > *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? > > Tracy, > That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my > combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing ho= w > it was put together by me along with your knowledge and experience. The > thought of someone just starting out making them does not sit well with m= e > as they are an unknown. > Let me know what you think and I will be in touch. > Thanks for your time! > ~~~tg~~~ > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tracy > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? > > The design is royalty free. Anyone who wants to build it is more than > welcome. I can help with info if you need it. > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann > wrote: > > Well, barring the passage of the =E2=80=9CAffordable Airplane Act=E2=80= =9D perhaps we > should start trying to solve our own problems. > I don=E2=80=99t know what the transaction was regarding production of Tra= cy=E2=80=99s > design but if it=E2=80=99s based off of royalties for every unit sold, I = would say > that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone. > > Perhaps a competitive bid is in order? > > *From:* Fly Rotary > *Sent:* =E2=80=8ESaturday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EJuly=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E25=E2= =80=8E, =E2=80=8E2015 =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E38=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM > *To:* Fly Rotary > > Absent a viable PSRU solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary eng= ine > option=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 :>( > > B2 > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > *Sent:* Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:01 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? > > =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of rotaries. > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > > What I have found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine forum, > you have to do it yourself. > If I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do not, > it would not be appropriate. > > We should make an effort to have a =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D forum an= d present our > case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative to the piston solution= . > I would propose that this comes from our group rather than as a > piggy-back on to any of the other alternative engine groups. > I would not want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the > Corvair, Subaru and Volkswagen groups. > > If you want to see it there, you have to make it happen. > > T Mann > > > > --047d7bae48f417dbff051bdfff3f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That looks a lot like the=C2=A0gearbox that failed, k= illing the pilot when the engine disengaged from the prop and he=C2=A0dead-= sticked it=C2=A0into a hotel building.=C2=A0 It was about a week after the = alternative engine fly-in at Ed's place in Paduka, KY.=C2=A0 As I recal= l, it was a Glasair III with a turbo-charged=C2=A0LS1.=C2=A0 I have video o= f=C2=A0a ground run around here somewhere.=C2=A0 Real sad story.=C2=A0 Can = anyone confirm whether or not=C2=A0it was the same make psru?=C2=A0 I never= read the final accident report.
=C2=A0
Mark=C2=A0

On Mon, Ju= l 27, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Bill Schertz <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t> wrote:
I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the psru= =E2=80=99s=20 offered by www.autop= srus.com . I will=20 forward these later today as every thing gets transferred . They are spur g= ear=20 drive, have there own oil supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings= ,=20 will provide oil for a constant speed prop, and are available in many reduc= tion=20 ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-= B,=20 the casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and= it=20 has a centrifugal clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so= when=20 starting there is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy=E2=80=99s=
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I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them.
=C2=A0
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= /div>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in=20 Oshkosh?
=C2=A0
Tracy,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That is very=20 interesting! Could one be built specifically for my combination of a high H= P 20=20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing how it was put together by me al= ong=20 with your knowledge and experience. The thought of someone just starting ou= t=20 making them does not sit well with me as they are an unknown.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Let me know what=20 you think and I will be in touch.
Thanks for your time!
~~~tg~~~
=C2=A0


From: Tracy=20 <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?
=C2=A0
The design is royalty free.=C2=A0 Anyone=20 who wants to build it is more than welcome.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I can help with inf= o if=20 you need it.
=C2=A0
Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=20 wrote:

=20 =20 =20
Well, barring the passage of the =E2=80=9CA= ffordable=20 Airplane Act=E2=80=9D perhaps we should start trying to solve our own pro= blems.
I don=E2=80=99t know what the transaction w= as regarding=20 production of Tracy=E2=80=99s design but if it=E2=80=99s based off of roy= alties for every unit=20 sold, I would say that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone.
=C2=A0
Perhaps a competitive bid is in order?
=C2=A0
From:=C2=A0Fly Rot= ary
Sent: =E2=80=8ESaturday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80= =8EJuly=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E25=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2015 =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:= =E2=80=8E38=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM
To:=C2=A0Fly Rotary
=C2=A0
Absent a viable PSRU=20 solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary engine option=E2=80=9D=E2= =80=A6=C2=A0=20 :>(
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From: Rotary= =20 motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.= net]=20
Sent: S= aturday,=20 July 25, 2015 2:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?
=C2=A0
=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of rotaries.
___= ________________________________________________________________________
=C2=A0
Wha= t I have found is that if you want there to be a=20 Rotary Engine forum, you have to do it yourself.
If = I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing to do=20 this but as I do not, it would not be appropriate.
=C2=A0
We = should make an effort to have a =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D forum=20 and present our case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative to the= =20 piston solution.
I w= ould propose that this comes from our group rather=20 than as a piggy-back on to any of the other alternative engine=20 groups.
I w= ould not want for our engine solution to be=20 sandwich between the Corvair, Subaru and Volkswagen=20 groups.
=C2=A0
If = you want to see it there, you have to make it=20 happen.
=C2=A0
T= =20 Mann
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