X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Bill Bradburry" Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.25] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.4) with ESMTPS id 7869253 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:22:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.25; envelope-from=bbradburry@verizon.net Received: from Desktop ([71.164.185.6]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NS50041DSBV9Q30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:21:37 -0500 (CDT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=MtGvkDue c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=20weQFHSdBTlwctzPCQ/Gw==:117 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=_ba36y39AAAA:8 a=Ce0Yu6GySAs9MtIdZgoA:9 a=F99EeyZzka0A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=2HB3xfip22lrYsjS5fwA:9 a=lFGqmsguJN3oz1BP:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-reply-to: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:21:32 -0500 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01D0C86F.2A9CF980" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Thread-index: AdDIjSFl7TFM7Z6TRYu3YZqwx0t+JAAC8DZw This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01D0C86F.2A9CF980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is Geared Drives the company where the owner and his (I think?) daughter were killed in a plane crash? =20 _____ =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:54 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives =20 I think it=92s about 70#=92s. This is the Geared Drives design with a = few changes. Oil seal retainer is one.=20 =20 Bobby =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:31 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Alternative redrives =20 I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the = psru=92s offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later today as every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have there own oil = supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will provide oil for a = constant speed prop, and are available in many reduction ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-B, the casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and it has a centrifugal clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so = when starting there is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy=92s =20 I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them. =20 From: Tom Gillespie=20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? =20 Tracy, That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing = how it was put together by me along with your knowledge and experience. The thought of someone just starting out making them does not sit well with = me as they are an unknown. Let me know what you think and I will be in touch. Thanks for your time! ~~~tg~~~ =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Tracy To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? =20 The design is royalty free. Anyone who wants to build it is more than welcome. I can help with info if you need it. =20 Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann = wrote: Well, barring the passage of the =93Affordable Airplane Act=94 perhaps = we should start trying to solve our own problems.=20 I don=92t know what the transaction was regarding production of = Tracy=92s design but if it=92s based off of royalties for every unit sold, I would say = that it=92s not benefiting anyone.=20 =20 Perhaps a competitive bid is in order? =20 From: Fly Rotary =20 Sent: =FDSaturday=FD, =FDJuly=FD =FD25=FD, =FD2015 =FD2=FD:=FD38=FD = =FDPM To: Fly Rotary =20 =20 Absent a viable PSRU solution, there probably is no, =93rotary engine = option=94=85 :>( =20 B2 =20 _____ =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:01 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? =20 =85=85 no sign of rotaries.=20 _________________________________________________________________________= __ =20 What I have found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine forum, = you have to do it yourself.=20 If I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do not, = it would not be appropriate. =20 We should make an effort to have a =93Fly Rotary=94 forum and present = our case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative to the piston solution. I would propose that this comes from our group rather than as a = piggy-back on to any of the other alternative engine groups. I would not want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the = Corvair, Subaru and Volkswagen groups. =20 If you want to see it there, you have to make it happen. =20 T Mann =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01D0C86F.2A9CF980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is Geared Drives the company where = the owner and his (I think?) daughter were killed in a plane = crash?

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Monday, July 27, = 2015 11:54 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative redrives

 

I think = it=92s about 70#=92s. This is the  Geared Drives design with a few changes. Oil = seal retainer is one.

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Bobby

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From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Monday, July 27, = 2015 11:31 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Alternative redrives

 

I went back = to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the psru=92s offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward = these later today as every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, = have there own oil supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will = provide oil for a constant speed prop, and are available in many reduction = ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through, suitable for the 13-B, the = casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, and it has a centrifugal clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so = when starting there is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than Tracy=92s

=

 

I have to = reduce the size of the pictures before I can send = them.

 

Sent: Sunday, July = 26, 2015 1:59 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?

 

Tracy,

  =   That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my = combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing how it was put = together by me along with your knowledge and experience. The thought of someone = just starting out making them does not sit well with me as they are an = unknown.

  = Let me know what you think and I will be in = touch.

Thanks for your time!

~~~tg~~~

 <= /o:p>

 

 <= /o:p>

The design is royalty free.  Anyone who wants to build it is more than welcome.   I can help with info if you need = it.

 <= /o:p>

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

Well, barring the passage of the =93Affordable Airplane Act=94 perhaps we = should start trying to solve our own problems.

I don=92t know what the transaction was regarding production of Tracy=92s design but if it=92s based = off of royalties for every unit sold, I would say that it=92s not benefiting = anyone.

 

Perhaps a competitive bid is in order?

 

From: = Fly = Rotary
Sent: =FDSaturday=FD, = =FDJuly=FD =FD25=FD, =FD2015 =FD2=FD:=FD38=FD =FDPM
To: Fly = Rotary

 

Absent a viable = PSRU solution, there probably is no, =93rotary engine option=94=85  = :>(

 

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From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, = 2015 2:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?

 

=85=85 no sign of rotaries.

______________= _____________________________________________________________<= /span>

 

What I have found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine forum, you = have to do it yourself.

If I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do not, it = would not be appropriate.

 

We should make an effort to have a =93Fly Rotary=94 forum and present our = case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative to the piston = solution.

I would propose that this comes from our group rather than as a piggy-back = on to any of the other alternative engine groups.

I would not want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the = Corvair, Subaru and Volkswagen groups.

 

If you want to see it there, you have to make it = happen.

 

T Mann

 

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