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[69.144.253.108]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id de2sm30357870pdb.15.2015.07.27.09.31.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42B2BEC47A104FEF9D29B6D7701BC39C@OwnerPC> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Alternative redrives Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:31:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01D0C857.581BA0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01D0C857.581BA0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the = psru=E2=80=99s offered by www.autopsrus.com . I will forward these later = today as every thing gets transferred . They are spur gear drive, have = there own oil supply and pump, use pressure fed roller bearings, will = provide oil for a constant speed prop, and are available in many = reduction ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through, = suitable for the 13-B, the casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel = for the torque damping, and it has a centrifugal clutch that disengages = the prop below ~900 engine rpm, so when starting there is no prop load. = Will likely be heavier than Tracy=E2=80=99s I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send them. From: Tom Gillespie=20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? Tracy, That is very interesting! Could one be built specifically for my = combination of a high HP 20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing = how it was put together by me along with your knowledge and experience. = The thought of someone just starting out making them does not sit well = with me as they are an unknown. Let me know what you think and I will be in touch. Thanks for your time! ~~~tg~~~ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Tracy To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? The design is royalty free. Anyone who wants to build it is more than = welcome. I can help with info if you need it. Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann = wrote: Well, barring the passage of the =E2=80=9CAffordable Airplane = Act=E2=80=9D perhaps we should start trying to solve our own problems.=20 I don=E2=80=99t know what the transaction was regarding production of = Tracy=E2=80=99s design but if it=E2=80=99s based off of royalties for = every unit sold, I would say that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone.=20 Perhaps a competitive bid is in order? From: Fly Rotary Sent: =E2=80=8ESaturday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EJuly=E2=80=8E = =E2=80=8E25=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2015 = =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E38=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM To: Fly Rotary Absent a viable PSRU solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary = engine option=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 :>( B2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:01 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh? =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of rotaries.=20 = _________________________________________________________________________= __ What I have found is that if you want there to be a Rotary Engine = forum, you have to do it yourself.=20 If I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing to do this but as I do = not, it would not be appropriate. We should make an effort to have a =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D forum = and present our case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative to = the piston solution. I would propose that this comes from our group rather than as a = piggy-back on to any of the other alternative engine groups. I would not want for our engine solution to be sandwich between the = Corvair, Subaru and Volkswagen groups. If you want to see it there, you have to make it happen. T Mann ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01D0C857.581BA0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I went back to the exhibit buildings, and took some photos of the = psru=E2=80=99s=20 offered by www.autopsrus.com . = I will=20 forward these later today as every thing gets transferred . They are = spur gear=20 drive, have there own oil supply and pump, use pressure fed roller = bearings,=20 will provide oil for a constant speed prop, and are available in many = reduction=20 ratios. They make a unit that can be straight through, suitable for the = 13-B,=20 the casing is CNC machined. They use a flywheel for the torque damping, = and it=20 has a centrifugal clutch that disengages the prop below ~900 engine rpm, = so when=20 starting there is no prop load. Will likely be heavier than = Tracy=E2=80=99s
 
I have to reduce the size of the pictures before I can send = them.
 
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:59 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anyone or everyone in=20 Oshkosh?
 
Tracy,
    = That is very=20 interesting! Could one be built specifically for my combination of a = high HP 20=20 B? I would have more peace of mind knowing how it was put together by me = along=20 with your knowledge and experience. The thought of someone just starting = out=20 making them does not sit well with me as they are an unknown.
   Let me = know what=20 you think and I will be in touch.
Thanks for your = time!
~~~tg~~~
 


From: Tracy=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:04 = AMSubject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?
 
The design is royalty = free.  Anyone=20 who wants to build it is more than welcome.   I can help with = info if=20 you need it.
 
Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2015, at 17:48, Thomas Mann <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>=20 wrote:

Well, barring the passage of the = =E2=80=9CAffordable=20 Airplane Act=E2=80=9D perhaps we should start trying to solve our own = problems.
I don=E2=80=99t know what the = transaction was regarding=20 production of Tracy=E2=80=99s design but if it=E2=80=99s based off of = royalties for every unit=20 sold, I would say that it=E2=80=99s not benefiting anyone.
 
Perhaps a competitive bid is in = order?
 
From: Fly = RotarySent: =E2=80=8ESaturday=E2=80=8E, = =E2=80=8EJuly=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E25=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2015 = =E2=80=8E2=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E38=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPMTo: Fly = Rotary
 
Absent a = viable PSRU=20 solution, there probably is no, =E2=80=9Crotary engine = option=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 =20 :>(
 
B2
 
From: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancairon= line.net]=20
Sent: = Saturday,=20 July 25, 2015 2:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraftSubject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Anyone or everyone in Oshkosh?
 
=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 no sign of rotaries. =
___________________________________________________________________= ________
 
What I have found is that if you want there = to be a=20 Rotary Engine forum, you have to do it yourself. =
If I had a flying Rotary, I would be willing = to do=20 this but as I do not, it would not be = appropriate.
 
We should make an effort to have a = =E2=80=9CFly Rotary=E2=80=9D forum=20 and present our case for the Rotary Engine as a viable alternative to = the=20 piston solution.
I would propose that this comes from our = group rather=20 than as a piggy-back on to any of the other alternative engine=20 groups.
I would not want for our engine solution to = be=20 sandwich between the Corvair, Subaru and Volkswagen=20 groups.
 
If you want to see it there, you have to = make it=20 happen.
 
T=20 = Mann
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