X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Kelly Troyer" Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1c4) with ESMTPS id 7475728 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:20:43 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.181; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id vb8so22251544obc.12 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 16:20:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=u2BInofl+z9Ddcce+xGC341Fqi8FfsJRCfh7Kr8W72M=; b=rINKL5MBoezYYxqZNKIY+UNgQS8yejPwZh2TIgq2qJv0hzyMJT6G7tyMOVAk3r9pcF 5mbOEH9JUCfVJpvXPQtT2NApom8+eQlVXvYHy82OB164jRawXqlEpdssv9wgtBIUvFZ6 p2JeHLCBKUGD5p1utNvVk0XbO8btZRkNSXmRDZGbDzCi3nFZDU6nGCwjGuOaXmbrg57z hXPHABzifIlCPQq+jOU2vSjHZ3sDcTylaVih9y3/4lnBISYRoqcNce5jPm20/x9WVLZD xpss4abZ8lIJszGcx7XU3JJJ7gNbMt9iBivAr9PaOUpzJacHNuB/kWq3wFp08TC3YIF4 TBQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.74.199 with SMTP id w7mr10014300obv.20.1423441209085; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 16:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.94.130 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:20:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 18:20:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B weight To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1f256a063b2050e9cbb3c --001a11c1f256a063b2050e9cbb3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks Tracy.........If I needed a EC3 for the 20B what would my chances be ??.......... Kelly On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Tracy wrote: > IIRC, the bare 13B block weighed 180 with water pump but nothing else, not > even the oil pan. > > The 20B was 70 pounds heavier but that was with a 13B waterpump setup, not > the heavier 20B pump assembly. > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 8, 2015, at 13:36, Kelly Troyer > wrote: > > Thanks Mark..........Very possible I will buy the 20B I mentioned so after > stripping all the > unneeded auto stuff off I will have at least a a bare block > weight........I certainly would go > for the alum RX8 water-pump/housing mod that you have..........I already > have the RX8 > alum front cover.........Not sure I would do the P-port mod as these > things already have > more power than I will ever need for my project..........Was planning on a > Turbo 13B but > the added weight and complexity of the turbo tends to make the NA 20B look > doable..... > > Thanks, > Kelly > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Bill Bradburry < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> You posted some videos on utube a while back. Have you made any >> recently? Folks like me really like to watch them! >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 08, 2015 5:13 AM >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: 20B weight >> >> >> >> Kelly, >> >> That's a tough one. The 3-rotor weight typically quoted is 295#, but this >> isn't fwf. Take into account that I am running dual alternators, an >> aluminum Renesis water pump housing and aluminum water pump, p-port intake, >> and it is difficult to say the fwf weight. What I can say is that my a/c >> weighed in at 2050#, which is very close to the typical Lycoming Lancair. >> Going by that, I would guess that my fwf 20b weighs close to what a fwf >> IO-540 weighs. >> >> Going at it from a different angle, I believe the W&B showed about 550# >> on the nose gear. That would be a pretty good ballpark number for FWF. Its >> been a while, so I would have to check the logs to see exactly what the >> weights were when first inspected. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Kelly Troyer >> wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> Can you give me a wire wall forward weight of your 20B minus the oil & >> water radiators >> >> and your constant speed prop or your best estimate ??........... >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --001a11c1f256a063b2050e9cbb3c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Tracy.........If I needed a EC3 for the 20B what wo= uld my chances be ??..........

Kelly=C2=A0

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM,= Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
IIRC, the bare 13B block= weighed 180 with water pump but nothing else, not even the oil pan.
<= div>
The 20B was 70 pounds heavier but that was with a 13B wa= terpump setup, not the heavier 20B pump assembly.

= Tracy=C2=A0

Sent from my iPad

O= n Feb 8, 2015, at 13:36, Kelly Troyer <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:<= br>
Thanks Mark...= .......Very possible I will buy the 20B I mentioned so after stripping all = the=C2=A0
unneeded auto stuff off I will have at least a a bare block w= eight........I certainly would go=C2=A0
for the alum RX8 water-pu= mp/housing mod that you have..........I already have the RX8=C2=A0
alum front cover.........Not sure I would do the P-port mod as these thin= gs already have=C2=A0
more power than I will ever need for my pro= ject..........Was planning on a Turbo 13B but
the added weight an= d complexity of the turbo tends to make the NA 20B look doable.....

Thanks,
Kelly=C2=A0


On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9= :12 AM, Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Mark,

You posted some videos on utu= be a while back.=C2=A0 Have you made any recently?=C2=A0 Folks like me really like to watch them!

=C2=A0

Bill

=C2=A0

From: Rot= ary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2= 015 5:13 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B weight

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Kelly, =

That's a tough on= e. The 3-rotor weight typically quoted is 295#, but this isn't fwf. Take into = account that I am running dual alternators, an aluminum Renesis water pump housing = and aluminum water pump, p-port intake, and it is difficult to say the fwf weig= ht. What I can say is that my a/c weighed in at 2050#, which is very close to t= he typical Lycoming Lancair. Going by that, I would guess that my fwf 20b weighs close= to what a fwf IO-540 weighs.

Going at it from a different angle, I believe the W&B showed about 550# on the nose gear. = That would be a pretty good ballpark number for FWF. Its been a while, so I woul= d have to check the logs to see exactly what the weights were when first inspected.

Mark

=C2=A0

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Kelly Troyer <flyrotary@lan= caironline.net> wrote:

Mark,

Can you give me a wire wall forward weight of your 2= 0B minus the oil & water radiators

and your constant speed prop or your best estimate ?= ?...........

=C2=A0

Thanks,

=C2=A0

Kelly

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