X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.53.222] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with SMTP id 5592537 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:07:59 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.53.222; envelope-from=downing.j@sbcglobal.net Received: from [98.139.52.196] by nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 12:07:24 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 12:07:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.106] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 12:07:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 12:07:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 786922.39594.bm@omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 8536 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2012 12:07:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PKifB8SjIq8BwWvHhkvEVGIH8onRjk4UE9U2kgCBfSXTZxklca9M9nowUjbXWY4OS7pKArJMdxvBc094I1RYkvkHYztwEN8VFngVqYWHse069L1e8GcqrD/QXiOZ634+kov400yTLB9WudLaGXsVP2eb4LAzWb7eXypVXLKpZUY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1339416443; bh=nACuY+suTpLa/pSXQSYk0c1b/pNiLPWZGRSiGY4BnW8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=fUvNOjuEALUIoq87Mu/DGeEpXZ2ZHXuBiXZFPj3n+ytUC8/8X5gkBGD4L48YHZnkxKqQglxR2fOSKlRzHvJsT28jF0f0NwC7nBiXAlfMqx31tSu5bXkkkqCckedjsjF53G2NALiBz3IYt8Rm+rG7JYgpShfGhT+E3+SjTfMLTP8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VBf.hbwVM1lcsmEvtw03MJW1AIcySQYjkFhRn73YAonWjTA 5L20Ykqe1aVgZePODtiJ8TbsyXONMabA900ShDuqj_EXME8bFDWn0l5Q2jg1 sOqSkpWR8ys.jsvKkZkfPaKtkiu95J_IQAVGqFV7vFDDUd7_NYoDHyCyAPto E6hZKlHuaLUbKgcHkE8gjP15KuzNcqLwOvKqM5tMxD1U_LTMnglifAoLem.g Es724n4CKbCaHmCgUGNROP1z_UaYHm1Ynju5DyD_93xnaOLn45PjP4OSNB7h LwsTaH81PbGDqxCC2GxBWdwhEGRLpF9wkGAOfafAhvG8S77HjXRKfgVrL7e3 GWt085WI6_MkgdE8PEgGWmJZTfpw4LjLMgxmriDLiWfODQ2rnUeMuI779B2g wndcA4xbK9imM8bUCfv5FyNKzdCsFG3RUria1X.K7dm4C X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4Ss7WYSswBAR3ULsDHPw5yIFKkoakpn6PCJcwuPp3izwMVSl Received: from JohnPC (downing.j@69.209.98.85 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2012 05:07:22 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <186F13526A3C4110B74D7E4515E1A373@JohnPC> From: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: First flight - Velocity N17010 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:07:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD47A9.3F39A540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD47A9.3F39A540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, consensus of an Eaton engineer is that the two tapered bearings on = the output shaft are moving the 80W from the small of the taper to the = larger end of the rollers, there is no slot for the oil to return to the = main body of the unit. A grove has been machined for an oil return to = circulate the oil and relieve the pressure on the seal, also a retainer = has been made for the output shaft seal, something it needed in the = first place. There are holes drilled in the ring gear that circulate = oil out of the case and this oil will be routed thru a cooler. I had a = tank on the firewall at first with the oil coming out of the drain hole = and it was to return into the fill hole, but all the oil was circulated = into the tank and onto the firewall, so I removed the tank and put a = small tank mounted on the redrive connected to the vent hole on the = re-drive and didn't lose anymore oil out, but it needed the cooling as = the case expanded with heat generated and the seal came out. I'll post = pictures when I get it plumbed. JohnD ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Giddings=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First flight - Velocity N17010 John: Can you tell us what you did to solve the Marcotte problems? KIND REGARDS Thomas Giddings n360tg@earthlink.net 727 858 1772 On Jun 10, 2012, at 8:45 PM, wrote: Tracy, I missed out on the button also. I'm nearing the finishing = of the rebuild of Wittman W-10 after the Marcotte Re-drive failure. The = oiling system or lack thereof was an accident waiting to happen. John Downing 3606 20 Mi. Rd. Marion, MI. 49665 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:32 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First flight - Velocity N17010 You sure do Chris, and congratulations! =20 BTW, I recently found the long lost box of "I love flying my = Mazda Rotary" buttons. If anyone else missed out on their button, let = me know. Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Chris Barber = wrote: Hey, Tracy....Do I qualify for my "I love flying my Rotary" = button yet??? Chris First flight 6/9/12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on = behalf of Mark Steitle [msteitle@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:27 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First flight - Velocity N17010 Chris,=20 When you think about it, every landing is a potential crash = scene. Its our job to see that nobody gets hurt and the airplane is = still usable after every landing. =20 Mark On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Chris Barber = wrote: Same goofy grin when you realize you are on the ground safely. = As a cop, this is a potential crash scene I am happy not to be the very = "first responder" Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:14 PM, "John Overman" = wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] First flight - Velocity N17010=20 Chris, Congratulations on your first flight. The excitement = quotient has to be right up there with the first solo, if not more. John Overman ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD47A9.3F39A540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom, consensus of an Eaton engineer is = that the two=20 tapered bearings on the output shaft are moving the 80W from the small = of the=20 taper to the larger end of the rollers, there is no slot for the oil to = return=20 to the main body of the unit.  A grove has been machined = for an oil=20 return to circulate the oil and relieve the pressure on the seal, also a = retainer has been made for the output shaft seal, something it needed in = the=20 first place.  There are holes drilled in the ring gear that = circulate oil=20 out of the case and this oil will be routed thru a cooler.  I had a = tank on=20 the firewall at first with the oil coming out of the drain hole and it = was to=20 return into the fill hole, but all the oil was circulated into the tank = and onto=20 the firewall, so I removed the tank and put a small tank mounted on the = redrive=20 connected to the vent hole on the re-drive and didn't lose anymore oil = out, but=20 it needed the cooling as the case expanded with heat generated and the = seal came=20 out.  I'll post pictures when I get it plumbed.  = JohnD
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas=20 Giddings
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 11:31=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First = flight -=20 Velocity N17010

John: Can you tell us what you did to solve the = Marcotte=20 problems?

KIND REGARDS
Thomas Giddings
727 858 1772



On Jun 10, 2012, at 8:45 PM, <downing.j@sbcglobal.net>=20 wrote:

Tracy, I missed out on the button = also. =20 I'm nearing the finishing of the rebuild of Wittman W-10 after = the=20 Marcotte Re-drive failure.  The oiling system or lack thereof = was an=20 accident waiting to happen.
John Downing
3606 20 Mi. Rd.
Marion, MI. 49665
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 9:32=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First = flight -=20 Velocity N17010

You sure do Chris, and congratulations!  

BTW,  I recently found the long lost box of "I love flying my Mazda Rotary" = buttons.=20  If anyone else missed out on their button, let me=20 know.

Tracy

Sent from my = iPad

On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net&g= t;=20 wrote:

Hey, Tracy....Do I qualify for my "I love flying my Rotary" = button=20 yet???


 

Chris

First flight 6/9/12

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 on behalf of Mark Steitle [msteitle@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 09, = 2012 5:27=20 PM
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First = flight -=20 Velocity N17010

Chris, 

When you think about it, every landing is a potential crash = scene.=20  Its our job to see that nobody gets hurt and the airplane = is still=20 usable after every landing.  

Mark

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Chris = Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net&g= t; wrote:
Same goofy grin when you realize you are on the ground = safely. As=20 a cop, this is a potential crash scene I am happy not to be = the very=20 "first responder"

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:14 PM, "John Overman" <mooneydryver@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:



From: Chris Barber = <cbarber@texasattorney.net&g= t;
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> 
Sent: Saturday, June 9, = 2012 9:52=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] First = flight -=20 Velocity N17010 


Chris,

Congratulations on = your=20 first flight. The excitement quotient has to be right up = there with=20 the first solo, if not more.

John=20 = Overman
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