X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.204] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5064309 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:07:38 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.237.204; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2011 22:07:04 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2011 22:07:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2011 22:07:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 947562.8532.bm@omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 29728 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2011 22:07:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1311718024; bh=oangRXrYIznI0xAj7/v6O7xSPi7eXpPnsijW7AmIdcI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=tgYqn1T/lrWHLsFVM5ZsZiK+by6b4tGD+nz+DrzGjGzTIOYBQfbSx5hC9zq2RHF10eQYb8AhK4krTYb6KWcx/VBxZIgYgs5CUUjQpbPturD5jdC4wb1HKF/N7dbnchJN9e+q4W5IjNJuiW24XU0glvAuQM6FUMZnTydkCRkuP70= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: aoI9cVQVM1kiErkAP8a9fBljgAaM6GzHY4yXXoJf6RDdRoU Pfo26eD0_CMUTD_jtWcItvd1vOxPSsADKoHWH7JVp7Lkuc6RLKLDacyaSVOy UvkC.GVdXlU5B2z78O3R45a2Fc4FArBLWFRxTMu_lpG_MBRYf5SAjSPuT07E uFu2dIHL64xo0872nIvKu6hc5T8qxJW1NjG8FE3p.qR8UWUBJmGedZae28Rn Oc3JDpc.F7a4ePf3JIkyKUetYZQc41OAO_uu1pJce8ROtjplx03yaMilsqkl w4GYnFrWc8okKQRAHE95DlImjmZGs6XBok27MYhXN_hV8Q1ZCPGA0qGJzFrn jp57SRXmjz6I61H3kPAx4oj856hjQ5PuTqM7eG7LcPLfqMXzhxV9ZJK4_0KT 94j2S_t7ZGbQuoUxaYNtdSfChEfh6 X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.93.31 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2011 15:07:03 -0700 PDT From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Injector mounting in top of block? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CC4BBE.D2705B70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcxLzpFNO1FeT9k3RnWHG7eH6UH8AQAEXKUg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CC4BBE.D2705B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having said that, How many injectors would be required? 4 traditional? Or would there only be room for two large injectors(one per rotor)? Effect on staging? As usual, I have more questions than solutions. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Injector mounting in top of block? Just guessing, but looking at the location Mazda used on the 16X (intake stroke region) my guess is that a high pressure injection system would not be required. The standard EFI setup should work fine. The high pressure systems are needed when the injection point is directly into the combustion chamber. Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:48 PM, "wrjjrs@aol.com" wrote: Bryan, I looked into this some time ago. I was going to use the system from Orbital. They wanted 20k for their development package though. Too much for me. As the Siemens systems become more common they may come down in price. Bill Jepson Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Bryan Winberry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Jul 26, 2011 12:57:09 GMT+00:00 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Injector mounting in top of block? I threw this out some months back. The replies talked about finding and adapting the high pressure fuel delivery system. Also special injectors. Can't recall if anyone commented on timing issues. No one seemed like it was worth tackling. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of shipchief@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:59 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Injector mounting in top of block? I was wondering if anyone had given a thought to mounting a fuel injetor in the top of the rotor housing like the 16b concept engine? They may never get around to selling the 16b to the public, but we could mod a 13b? It can't be any tougher than a P Port job? Anyway, it would get the fuel system a little farther from the exhaust heat, and could run better too? http://gallery.eaa326.org/v/members/semery/ Scott ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CC4BBE.D2705B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Having said that, How many = injectors would be required? 4 traditional? Or would there only be room for two large = injectors(one per rotor)?  Effect on staging?

As usual, I have more questions = than solutions.

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, = 2011 3:59 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Injector mounting in top of block?

 

Just guessing, but looking at the location Mazda used on the 16X (intake stroke region) my guess is that a high pressure injection system = would not be required.  The standard EFI setup should work fine. =  The high pressure systems are needed when the injection point is directly into = the combustion chamber.

 

Tracy
=
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:48 PM, "wrjjrs@aol.com"<wrjjrs@aol.com> = wrote:

Bryan,
I looked into this some time ago. I was going to use the system from = Orbital. They wanted 20k for their development package though. Too much for me. = As the Siemens systems become more common they may come down in price.
Bill Jepson

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless



-----Original message-----

I threw this out some months = back.

The replies talked about finding = and adapting the high pressure fuel delivery system.  Also special injectors.  Can’t recall if anyone commented on timing = issues.

No one seemed like it was worth = tackling.

Bryan<= /st1:place>

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of shipchief@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, = 2011 7:59 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Injector mounting in top of block?

 

 

I was wondering if anyone had = given a thought to mounting a fuel injetor in the top of the rotor housing like = the 16b concept engine?

They may never get around to selling the 16b to the public, but we could mod a = 13b?

It can't be any tougher than a P = Port job? Anyway, it would get the fuel system a little farther from the = exhaust heat, and could run better = too?

Scott

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