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Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:36:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: Message-ID: <1311626198.65780.YahooMailNeo@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements To: Rotary motors in aircraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1117173283-1311626198=:65780" --0-1117173283-1311626198=:65780 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-640729372-1311626198=:65780" --0-640729372-1311626198=:65780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Group,=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 For those that have been following the "Flywheel" = replacement for the RX7 flexplate that came apart after many=0Ahours of fly= ing and not long after=A0he flogged it with some fairly high Turbo boost du= ring his qualfying school for=0Aracing at Reno, NV this September here is a= photo of the "ACT" 9.8 lb "PROLITE"=A0that=A0Dave Leonard is in process=0A= of installing on his 13B/Turbo RV6............Next to it is the 13.8 lb "ST= REETLITE" model...........=A0=A0=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Even= tually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/O= il Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent= : Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:50 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are t= he important flywheel measurements=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A=A0 By the way do not fo= rget to get some photos of your installation=A0for those of us =0Awho wish = to follow in your footsteps................=A0=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DE= LTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRA= L"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Kelly Tro= yer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:33 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A=0AY= ou Sly Devil !!...................<:)=0A=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD= 2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Bac= kplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: David Leonard <= wdleonard@gmail.com>=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:53 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A=0A=0AHe He, I just order= ed up my Snowperformance Water/methanol injection system.=0A=0ADavid=0A=0A= =0AOn Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A= =0AThanks Dave...........Keep us up on how it all goes..............Hope yo= u are back in the air shortly !!............=0A>=A0=0A>Look Out Reno.......= ......Here comes the "Navy"................<:)=0A>=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"= DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2= =0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>= =0A>From: David Leonard =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft =0A>Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:39 PM = =0A>=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measure= ments=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>I had already discounted the wide area washers (that w= ent between the damper plate and flex plate) as no being needed. =A0In this= post I was referring to the standard size washers that would go just under= the nut... (so perhaps I wouldn't need to machine a space on the back of t= he flywheel to accept the washer) =A0But now I remember that the bolt goes = in the other way, and it is the bolt head that will be behind the flywheel = anyway. =0A>=0A>=0A>David=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Kelly= Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>Dave,=0A>>=A0=A0 Forgot to say you a= re correct that the wide area washers used on backside of the flexplate=0A>= >will not=A0be necessary with the flywheel..............=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Kell= y Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RW= S"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E= 50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>From: Kelly Troyer =0A>>To: Rotary m= otors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Saturday, July 23= , 2011 3:16 PM =0A>>=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important= flywheel measurements=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Dave,=0A>>=A0 Sounds like you hav= e it under control............Easy for me to say since it is your dollar = =0A>>but you might give some thought while the flywheel is in the mill to h= aving several holes=0A>>(looks like maybe 1 inch or better after you measur= e) milled equidistant (to maintain=0A>>balance)=A0around the pressure plate= slip surface............If you ever plan on doing this it=A0=0A>>will neve= r be any less expensive since you will have already paid for setup time....= .. I=0A>>think you could eliminate close to another 2 lbs off the flywheel.= ...........FWIW=A0=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)= =0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oi= l Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>From: David Leonard= =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:56 PM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRota= ry] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hi Ke= lly, Yes, I have it and I took it out to the hangar yesterday.=A0 All my pr= eliminary measurements seem to be more or less accurate.=A0 Meaning that I = will have to shave a little off the face of the flywheel and/or the spline = of the damper plate.=A0 I also need to extend the starter about .37 inches = to reach the ring gear.=A0 =0A>>=0A>>On the back of the flywheel, the surfa= ce is flat in the locations of the holes and there is enough room to fit th= e nuts without any machine work, but if I want to use washers, I will need = to do some machine work there to fit the washers.=A0 with such a thick stee= l plate, washers probably would not be necessary.=A0 =0A>>=0A>>So my plans = are to machine down face of the flywheel like you suggest, so that the slip= surface is flush with the main part of the plate.=A0 I will have the mill = drill the holes (Tracy suggests that, and it makes sense).=A0 I will also m= ill 0.17 in off both the flange of the starter and into the adapter plate t= o make up the 0.37 inches to the flywheel ring gear.=A0 Final measurements = still pending on that starter distance, but it is pretty close.=0A>>=0A>>--= =0A>>David Leonard=0A>>=0A>>Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0A>>http://N4VY.RotaryR= oster.net=0A>>http://RotaryRoster.net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at= 10:12 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Dave do you have y= our flywheel yet and have you come to any preliminary conclusions on mods= =0A>>>necessary to make it and the starter mate up ??..............=0A>>>= =0A>>>=0A>>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>>"13B ROTAR= Y"_ Engine=0A>>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A= >>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>From: Kelly Troyer =0A>>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A= >>>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:50 PM=0A>>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok H= ere are the important flywheel measurements=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Dave,=0A>>>=A0= =A0=A0 Clarification..............=0A>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A>>>One = more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is the same as the=A0 Turbo starter= .......Only difference =0A>>>I can see is the front Bendix hsg has a little= more material machined of presumably to clear the =0A>>>curved trans conve= rter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also different and new holes= would =0A>>>need to be drilled in the RD1X front plate...............=0A>>= >=A0=0A>>>=A0=A0 What I meant to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans=A0and Turbo = starter mount spacing is different than the 86-91 =0A>>>manual trans starte= r that Tracy calls out for=A0the RD1X re-drive and requires new mounting ho= les drilled".........=A0=0A>>>=0A>>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eve= ntually)=0A>>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>"MISTRAL"_B= ackplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>From= : Kelly Troyer =0A>>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PM=0A>>>Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A>>>= =0A>>>=0A>>>Dave,=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>=A0=A0=A0 Tracy said in previous post about= the spacer that front of the drive spline hub can be machined =0A>>>off to= provide clearance with front mount plate........... I realize several meas= urements would have to =0A>>>be made to verify hub positioning , input shaf= t spline engagement=A0, etc + starter engagement to=0A>>>utilize a counterw= eight/flywheel spacer..............Also I know you are under a time constra= int in order=0A>>>..........=A0=0A>>>=A0 Have all the parts available and d= o a bolt up to verify all dimensions...........Measure at least twice=0A>>>= before cutting metal !!........................<:)=0A>>>=0A>>>Kelly Troyer= =0A>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>"RWS"_RD= 1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 = Turbo=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>From: David Leonard =0A>>>To: R= otary motors in aircraft =0A>>>Sent: Thursday,= July 21, 2011 3:52 PM=0A>>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the import= ant flywheel measurements=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Thanks Kelly,=0A>>>I am not sure= that I am interested in using a spacer, because my measurements say=A0the = flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far=A0aft (in the car)=A0as= it is.=A0 No good to fix one problem=A0and create=A0another.=A0 There is n= ot really any room to move the damper plate closer to the gear box.=0A>>>= =0A>>>My flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.=0A>>>=0A>= >>Thanks for taking all those measurements.=A0 Looks like if I switched to = the turbo starter I could account for almost half of the material that I wo= uld have to machine off.=A0 OTOH, you never know if switching the solenoid = to the other side is going to cause some sort of interference problem with = something else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off the materi= al and call it a day.=0A>>>-- =0A>>>David Leonard=0A>>>=0A>>>Turbo Rotary R= V-6 N4VY=0A>>>http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net=0A>>>http://RotaryRoster.net=0A>= >>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>Dave,=0A>>>>=A0=0A>>>>=A0=A0 Spent about 3 hours= Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters , Tracy's RD1X mounting=0A>= >>>plates , and both manual & auto transmission bell hsg starter mount area= ................Tracy's RD1X mtg=0A>>>>plates from 13B rear hsg to starter = mt surface is 3.550 (same as 86-91 manual bell hsg)..............The=0A>>>>= 86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)....................M= easured my 86 manual starter=0A>>>>(what Tracy calls out for the RD1X re-dr= ive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell hsg with a=0A>>>>exte= nded RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tracy to make one...= ..Bulent and I cured=0A>>>>him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo starter.....= ........Results below=0A>>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=0A>>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 manual s= tarter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 auto starter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= 93-95 turbo starter=0A>>>>=A0=0A>>>>mount diameter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A02.635=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.635=0A>>>>=A0=0A>>>>mt flange to bendix gear=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.720=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.875= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1.875=0A>>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0 (unactivated)=0A>>>>=A0=0A>>>>mt flange to ben= dix gear=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.220=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 2.375=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.375=0A>>>>=A0=A0=A0 (solenoid activated)=0A>>>>=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A>>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Have you done a test mount of the 'A= CT" flywheel yet to measure exactly how much the starter needs to be =0A>>>= >repositioned??..................Also have you given any thought to using a= spacer suggested by Tracy between the =0A>>>>flywheel and counterweight...= ..........I did not find=A0my =A00.500 spacer that I offered while searchin= g yesterday but I=0A>>>>will find it (thats what happens when your day job = (caretaker) keeps you 55 miles and 5 years from your project)=0A>>>>and you= forget where you put things for safekeeping !!.......................<:)= =0A>>>>=A0=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A= >>>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate= /Oil Manifold=0A>>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>From: Ke= lly Troyer =0A>>>>=0A>>>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM =0A>>= >>=0A>>>>=A0=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>David Leonard=0A>=0A>Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0A= >http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net=0A>http://RotaryRoster.net=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A= =0A-- =0ADavid Leonard=0A=0ATurbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0Ahttp://N4VY.RotaryRost= er.net=0Ahttp://RotaryRoster.net --0-640729372-1311626198=:65780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Grou= p,
 
    For those that have been follo= wing the "Flywheel" replacement for the RX7 flexplate that came apart after= many
hours of flying and = not long after he flogged it with some fairly high Turbo boost during = his qualfying school for
racing at Reno, NV t= his September here is a photo of the "ACT" 9.8 lb "PROLITE" that = Dave Leonard is in process
of installing on his= 13B/Turbo RV6............Next to it is the 13.8 lb "STREETLITE" model.....= ......  
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"= RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turb= o

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywhee= l measurements

Dave,
  By the way do not forget to get some photos of your insta= llation for those of us
who wish to follow in your footsteps................ 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <kel= tro@att.net>
To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:33 PMSubject: [FlyRotary] Re: O= k Here are the important flywheel measurements


Dave,
You Sly Devil !!...................<:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: David Leonard <wd= leonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:53 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements

He He, I just ordered up my Snowperformance Water/me= thanol injection system.

David

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Kelly= Troyer <keltro@att.net><= /SPAN> wrote:
Thanks Dave...........Keep us up on how it all goes.............= .Hope you are back in the air shortly !!............
 
Look Out Reno.............Here comes the "Navy"................&= lt;:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> David Leonard <wdleonard@gm= ail.com>
To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:39 PM=20

Subjec= t: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measuremen= ts

I had already discounted the wide area washers (that went between the = damper plate and flex plate) as no being needed.  In this post I was r= eferring to the standard size washers that would go just under the nut... (= so perhaps I wouldn't need to machine a space on the back of the flywheel t= o accept the washer)  But now I remember that the bolt goes in the oth= er way, and it is the bolt head that will be behind the flywheel anyway.=20

David

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave,
   Forgot to say you are correct that the wide area wa= shers used on backside of the flexplate
will not be necessary with the flywheel..............<= /VAR>
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net><= BR>To: Rotary motors in air= craft <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:16 PM=20

Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
  Sounds like you have it under control.....= .......Easy for me to say since it is your dollar
but you might give some thought while the flywhee= l is in the mill to having several holes
(looks like maybe 1 inch or better after you meas= ure) milled equidistant (to maintain
balance) around the pressure plate slip surface............If you ever plan on doing= this it 
will never be any less expensive since you will h= ave already paid for setup time...... I
think you could eliminate close to another 2 lbs = off the flywheel............FWIW 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2"= (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_<= SPAN>Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> David Leonard <wdleonard@gm= ail.com>
To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here ar= e the important flywheel measurements

Hi Kelly, Yes, I have it and I took it out to the hangar yesterday.&nb= sp; All my preliminary measurements seem to be more or less accurate. = Meaning that I will have to shave a little off the face of the flywheel an= d/or the spline of the damper plate.  I also need to extend the starte= r about .37 inches to reach the ring gear. 

On the back of the= flywheel, the surface is flat in the locations of the holes and there is e= nough room to fit the nuts without any machine work, but if I want to use w= ashers, I will need to do some machine work there to fit the washers. = with such a thick steel plate, washers probably would not be necessary.&nb= sp;

So my plans are to machine down face of the flywheel like you s= uggest, so that the slip surface is flush with the main part of the plate.&= nbsp; I will have the mill drill the holes (Tracy suggests that, and it mak= es sense).  I will also mill 0.17 in off both the flange of the starter and into the adapter plate to make up the 0.37 inches to the flywh= eel ring gear.  Final measurements still pending on that starter dista= nce, but it is pretty close.

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotar= y RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoste= r.net

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave do you have your flywheel yet and have you come to any prel= iminary conclusions on mods
necessary to make it and the starter mate up ??..............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net><= BR>To: Rotary motors in air= craft <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:50 PM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are t= he important flywheel measurements

Dave,
    Clarification......= ........
        
One more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is t= he same as the  Turbo starter.......Only difference
I can see is the front Bendix hsg has a little more material machined of presumably to clear t= he
curved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also different and new holes would
need to be drilled in the RD1X front plate...............=
 
   What I meant= to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans and Turbo starter mount spaci= ng is different than the 86-91
manual trans starter that Tracy calls out for = the RD1X re-drive and requires new <= SPAN>mounting holes drilled"......... = ;
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net><= BR>To: Rotary motors in air= craft <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok<= /SPAN> Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
 
    Tracy said in previous post about the spacer = that front of the drive spline hub can be machined
off to provide clearance with front mount plate........... I rea= lize several measurements would have to
be made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline engagemen= t , etc + starter engagement to
utilize a counterweight/flywheel spacer..............Also I know= you are under a time constraint in = order
.......... 
  Have all the parts available and do a bolt up to verify a= ll dimensions...........Measure at least twice
before cutting metal !!........................<:)=
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> David Leonard <wdleonard@gm= ail.com>
To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok<= /SPAN> Here are the important flywheel measurements

Thanks Kelly,
I am not sure that I am interested in using a spacer, because my measu= rements say the flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far&nb= sp;aft (in the car) as it is.  No good to fix one problem an= d create another.  There is not really any room to move the dampe= r plate closer to the gear box.
 
My flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.
 
Thanks for taking all those measurements.  Looks like if I switch= ed to the turbo starter I could account for almost half of the material tha= t I would have to machine off.  OTOH, you never know if switching the = solenoid to the other side is going to cause some sort of interference prob= lem with something else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off t= he material and call it a day.
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.Rot= aryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave,
 
   Spent about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters , Tracy's RD1X mount= ing
plates , and both manual & auto transmission bell hsg sta= rter mount area................Tracy's RD1X mtg
plates from 13B rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (same= as 86-91 manual bell hsg= )..............The
86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)..........= ..........Measured my 86 manual starter
(what Tracy calls out for the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell = hsg= with a
extended RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tr= acy to make one.....Bulent and I cured
him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo starter.............Resul= ts below
          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     
          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      86-91 manual starter   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      86-91 auto starter    =             &nb= sp;            =     93-95 turbo starter
 
mount diameter        &n= bsp;            = ;       2.635     &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;    2.635        = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      2.635
 
mt flange to bendix gear      &= nbsp;       1.720    &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     1.875       &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;       1.875
     (unactivated)
 
mt flange to bendix gear      &= nbsp;       2.220    &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      2.375      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        2.375
    (solenoid activated)
      
       Have you done a test mount = of the 'ACT" flywheel yet to measure exactly how much the starter needs to = be
repositioned??..................Also have you given any thought = to using<= /SPAN> a spacer suggested by Tracy between the =
flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find my &n= bsp;0.500 spacer that I offered while searching yesterday but I
will find it (thats what happens when your day job (caretaker= ) keeps you 55 miles and 5 years from your project)
and you forget where you put things for safekeeping !!..........= .............<:)
 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>= =20

To: Rotary motors = in aircraft <flyrotary= @lancaironline.net>
Se= nt: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM=20

 












<= /DIV>



-- =
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.n= et
http://RotaryRoster.net





--
David Leon= ard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


<= /DIV>




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