X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.140] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5061435 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:48:57 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.140; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 23:48:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.76] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 23:48:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 23:48:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 960169.22691.bm@omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 90535 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2011 23:48:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1311464903; bh=Ypapd6756SikACS3SF/n6UOBCx16DKaEn8VMD8vCfzg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pZQDRH5cvG/dcHJxc9upG6dgRvAVkuFq9lUHEinpgqJmhxHG7RSKg8ygKakLlBWJmWA+c+g5IYuu82pWdk1fHnBTHx2x02R8jpPvtNd2QXsltP16+ClI+fYZ/vaMrcfPgHaFFkmRmWNV8fvsQekTsXyOuICdt69Tg3acXaXJEuM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OBd8q+FiKPbz2s1CuVHBG9nC2JvehMPs2saxF+PbApM6X7rbHJ9RBNbrLxutmwc2NT94vt/FVuTsH/jfGmIT9sjc8LvGojzTvBjHNRyJsBW3CEYNGIF1woa9ueIRgaxaELegoU13KQlCRota7a7dhGTFzZLOCqVEqaOOvgmDwQU=; X-YMail-OSG: v9pez7UVM1mdssMrw3.6Fu.qNueAXp2cbZ5C9EHe.XyTXOn hCbsQrANn_Fo_bHuEfGk4u.CpbTCFBzqveEWXwZDrxQKNIz2JfWZbuRqFwpd 7zFNxPvD4fuQ_qGT4d0fxZeDNL2RJnNU2wf8I0EjxyvbCU.WiqmXnDF9qTUl AiffvnuRbiERryLJ8nsL3owdoC1813b_yHWfwJd8MhPo5MbMPEpCely.iCjd aaW1MB8UKmSOp1Rzl.jUML9eWnLhH.Mk4qkLkg1iuYcaM7YevoFeV273Ne1y UWKwLQQm_xopnZBbdSc7XNsoGt_ZHcCCg5gUXPg4QGv9b9iBKBP2UAVZZOli 6L9Azieo_5wDQmK_gr3CwOUi0V6xBjDeLua4Up1hBf.S3CIlJ.ixtxi5zFZl .1HG3fGEv5qNbNQCP3cUEBc2Z Received: from [208.114.39.18] by web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:48:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: Message-ID: <1311464903.70634.YahooMailNeo@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1385171271-1311464903=:70634" --0-1385171271-1311464903=:70634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Dave...........Keep us up on how it all goes..............Hope you a= re back in the air shortly !!............=0A=A0=0ALook Out Reno............= .Here comes the "Navy"................<:)=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA J= D2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Ba= ckplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: David Leonard = =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:39 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A=0A=0AI had already disc= ounted the wide area washers (that went between the damper plate and flex p= late) as no being needed. =A0In this post I was referring to the standard s= ize washers that would go just under the nut... (so perhaps I wouldn't need= to machine a space on the back of the flywheel to accept the washer) =A0Bu= t now I remember that the bolt goes in the other way, and it is the bolt he= ad that will be behind the flywheel anyway. =0A=0ADavid=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul= 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A=0ADave,=0A>= =A0=A0 Forgot to say you are correct that the wide area washers used on bac= kside of the flexplate=0A>will not=A0be necessary with the flywheel........= ......=0A>=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROT= ARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"= TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>From: Kelly Troyer =0A= >To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Satur= day, July 23, 2011 3:16 PM =0A>=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the= important flywheel measurements=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Dave,=0A>=A0 Sounds like yo= u have it under control............Easy for me to say since it is your doll= ar =0A>but you might give some thought while the flywheel is in the mill to= having several holes=0A>(looks like maybe 1 inch or better after you measu= re) milled equidistant (to maintain=0A>balance)=A0around the pressure plate= slip surface............If you ever plan on doing this it=A0=0A>will never= be any less expensive since you will have already paid for setup time.....= . I=0A>think you could eliminate close to another 2 lbs off the flywheel...= .........FWIW=A0=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"1= 3B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifol= d=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>From: David Leonard =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A= >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:56 PM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here = are the important flywheel measurements=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Kelly, Yes, I have it= and I took it out to the hangar yesterday.=A0 All my preliminary measureme= nts seem to be more or less accurate.=A0 Meaning that I will have to shave = a little off the face of the flywheel and/or the spline of the damper plate= .=A0 I also need to extend the starter about .37 inches to reach the ring g= ear.=A0 =0A>=0A>On the back of the flywheel, the surface is flat in the loc= ations of the holes and there is enough room to fit the nuts without any ma= chine work, but if I want to use washers, I will need to do some machine wo= rk there to fit the washers.=A0 with such a thick steel plate, washers prob= ably would not be necessary.=A0 =0A>=0A>So my plans are to machine down fac= e of the flywheel like you suggest, so that the slip surface is flush with = the main part of the plate.=A0 I will have the mill drill the holes (Tracy = suggests that, and it makes sense).=A0 I will also mill 0.17 in off both th= e flange of the starter and into the adapter plate to make up the 0.37 inch= es to the flywheel ring gear.=A0 Final measurements still pending on that s= tarter distance, but it is pretty close.=0A>=0A>-- =0A>David Leonard=0A>=0A= >Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0A>http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net=0A>http://RotaryRos= ter.net=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>Dave do you have your flywheel yet and have you come = to any preliminary conclusions on mods=0A>>necessary to make it and the sta= rter mate up ??..............=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD= 2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRA= L"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>From= : Kelly Troyer =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:50 PM=0A>>Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>Dave,=0A>>=A0=A0=A0 Clarification..............=0A>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 =0A>>One more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is the same as the= =A0 Turbo starter.......Only difference =0A>>I can see is the front Bendix = hsg has a little more material machined of presumably to clear the =0A>>cur= ved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also differen= t and new holes would =0A>>need to be drilled in the RD1X front plate......= .........=0A>>=A0=0A>>=A0=A0 What I meant to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans= =A0and Turbo starter mount spacing is different than the 86-91 =0A>>manual = trans starter that Tracy calls out for=A0the RD1X re-drive and requires new= mounting holes drilled".........=A0=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA = JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MIST= RAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Fr= om: Kelly Troyer =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PM=0A>>Subjec= t: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A>>=0A>= >=0A>>Dave,=0A>>=A0=0A>>=A0=A0=A0 Tracy said in previous post about the spa= cer that front of the drive spline hub can be machined =0A>>off to provide = clearance with front mount plate........... I realize several measurements = would have to =0A>>be made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline e= ngagement=A0, etc + starter engagement to=0A>>utilize a counterweight/flywh= eel spacer..............Also I know you are under a time constraint in orde= r=0A>>..........=A0=0A>>=A0 Have all the parts available and do a bolt up t= o verify all dimensions...........Measure at least twice=0A>>before cutting= metal !!........................<:)=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA = JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MIST= RAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Fr= om: David Leonard =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=0A>>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:52 PM=0A>>= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A= >>=0A>>=0A>>Thanks Kelly,=0A>>I am not sure that I am interested in using a= spacer, because my measurements say=A0the flywheel will put the damper pla= te a little too far=A0aft (in the car)=A0as it is.=A0 No good to fix one pr= oblem=A0and create=A0another.=A0 There is not really any room to move the d= amper plate closer to the gear box.=0A>>=0A>>My flex plate has not arrived = yet, so no trial fits so far.=0A>>=0A>>Thanks for taking all those measurem= ents.=A0 Looks like if I switched to the turbo starter I could account for = almost half of the material that I would have to machine off.=A0 OTOH, you = never know if switching the solenoid to the other side is going to cause so= me sort of interference problem with something else under my cowl... So I w= ill probably just take off the material and call it a day.=0A>>-- =0A>>Davi= d Leonard=0A>>=0A>>Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0A>>http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net= =0A>>http://RotaryRoster.net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:= 34 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Dave,=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>= =A0=A0 Spent about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters ,= Tracy's RD1X mounting=0A>>>plates , and both manual & auto transmission be= ll hsg starter mount area................Tracy's RD1X mtg=0A>>>plates from = 13B rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (same as 86-91 manual bell hsg)= ..............The=0A>>>86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the sam= e)....................Measured my 86 manual starter=0A>>>(what Tracy calls = out for the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell= hsg with a=0A>>>extended RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask= Tracy to make one.....Bulent and I cured=0A>>>him of one off's) and a 93-9= 5 turbo starter.............Results below=0A>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=0A>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= 86-91 manual starter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 auto starter=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 93-95 turbo starter=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>mount diameter=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A02.= 635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.635=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>mt flange to be= ndix gear=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.720=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 1.875=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.875=0A>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0 (unactivated)=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>mt flan= ge to bendix gear=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.220=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.375=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.375=0A>>>=A0=A0=A0 (solenoid activated)=0A>>>= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Have you done a test mount of t= he 'ACT" flywheel yet to measure exactly how much the starter needs to be = =0A>>>repositioned??..................Also have you given any thought to us= ing a spacer suggested by Tracy between the =0A>>>flywheel and counterweigh= t.............I did not find=A0my =A00.500 spacer that I offered while sear= ching yesterday but I=0A>>>will find it (thats what happens when your day j= ob (caretaker) keeps you 55 miles and 5 years from your project)=0A>>>and y= ou forget where you put things for safekeeping !!.......................<:)= =0A>>>=A0=0A>>>=0A>>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>>"= 13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Ma= nifold=0A>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>From: Kelly Troyer = =0A>>>=0A>>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM =0A>>>=0A>>>=A0=0A>= >=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0ADavid = Leonard=0A=0ATurbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0Ahttp://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net=0Ahttp:/= /RotaryRoster.net --0-1385171271-1311464903=:70634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Dave...........Keep us up on how it all goes.= .............Hope you are back in the air shortly !!............
 
Look Out Reno.......= ......Here comes the "Navy"................<:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:39 PM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel meas= urements

I had already discounted the wide area washers (that w= ent between the damper plate and flex plate) as no being needed.  In t= his post I was referring to the standard size washers that would go just un= der the nut... (so perhaps I wouldn't need to machine a space on the back o= f the flywheel to accept the washer)  But now I remember that the bolt= goes in the other way, and it is the bolt head that will be behind the fly= wheel anyway.

David

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Kelly T= royer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave,
   Forgot to say you are correct that the wide area wa= shers used on backside of the flexplate
will not be necessary with the flywheel..............<= /VAR>
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:16 PM

Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=

Dave,
  Sounds like you have it under control.....= .......Easy for me to say since it is your dollar
but you might give some thought while the flywhee= l is in the mill to having several holes
(looks like maybe 1 inch or better after you meas= ure) milled equidistant (to maintain
balance) around the pressure plate slip surface............If you ever plan on doing= this it 
will never be any less expensive since you will h= ave already paid for setup time...... I
think you could eliminate close to another 2 lbs = off the flywheel............FWIW 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2"= (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_<= SPAN>Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:56 PM=
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re= : Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements
Hi Kelly, Yes, I have it and I took it out to the hangar yesterday.&nb= sp; All my preliminary measurements seem to be more or less accurate. = Meaning that I will have to shave a little off the face of the flywheel an= d/or the spline of the damper plate.  I also need to extend the starte= r about .37 inches to reach the ring gear. 

On the back of the= flywheel, the surface is flat in the locations of the holes and there is e= nough room to fit the nuts without any machine work, but if I want to use w= ashers, I will need to do some machine work there to fit the washers. = with such a thick steel plate, washers probably would not be necessary.&nb= sp;

So my plans are to machine down face of the flywheel like you s= uggest, so that the slip surface is flush with the main part of the plate.&= nbsp; I will have the mill drill the holes (Tracy suggests that, and it mak= es sense).  I will also mill 0.17 in off both the flange of the starter and into the adapter plate to make up the 0.37 inches to the flywh= eel ring gear.  Final measurements still pending on that starter dista= nce, but it is pretty close.

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotar= y RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoste= r.net

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave do you have your flywheel yet and have you come to any prel= iminary conclusions on mods
necessary to make it and the starter mate up ??..............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net><= BR>To: Rotary motors in air= craft <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:50 PM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are t= he important flywheel measurements

Dave,
    Clarification......= ........
        
One more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is t= he same as the  Turbo starter.......Only difference
I can see is the front Bendix hsg has a little more material machined of presumably to clear t= he
curved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also different and new holes would
need to be drilled in the RD1X front plate...............=
 
   What I meant= to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans and Turbo starter mount spaci= ng is different than the 86-91
manual trans starter that Tracy calls out for = the RD1X re-drive and requires new <= SPAN>mounting holes drilled"......... = ;
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net><= BR>To: Rotary motors in air= craft <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok<= /SPAN> Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
 
    Tracy said in previous post about the spacer = that front of the drive spline hub can be machined
off to provide clearance with front mount plate........... I rea= lize several measurements would have to
be made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline engagemen= t , etc + starter engagement to
utilize a counterweight/flywheel spacer..............Also I know= you are under a time constraint in = order
.......... 
  Have all the parts available and do a bolt up to verify a= ll dimensions...........Measure at least twice
before cutting metal !!........................<:)=
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> David Leonard <wdleonard@gm= ail.com>
To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok<= /SPAN> Here are the important flywheel measurements

Thanks Kelly,
I am not sure that I am interested in using a spacer, because my measu= rements say the flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far&nb= sp;aft (in the car) as it is.  No good to fix one problem an= d create another.  There is not really any room to move the dampe= r plate closer to the gear box.
 
My flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.
 
Thanks for taking all those measurements.  Looks like if I switch= ed to the turbo starter I could account for almost half of the material tha= t I would have to machine off.  OTOH, you never know if switching the = solenoid to the other side is going to cause some sort of interference prob= lem with something else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off t= he material and call it a day.
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.Rot= aryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave,
 
   Spent about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters , Tracy's RD1X mount= ing
plates , and both manual & auto transmission bell hsg sta= rter mount area................Tracy's RD1X mtg
plates from 13B rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (same= as 86-91 manual bell hsg= )..............The
86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)..........= ..........Measured my 86 manual starter
(what Tracy calls out for the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell = hsg= with a
extended RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tr= acy to make one.....Bulent and I cured
him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo starter.............Resul= ts below
          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     
          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      86-91 manual starter   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      86-91 auto starter    =             &nb= sp;            =     93-95 turbo starter
 
mount diameter        &n= bsp;            = ;       2.635     &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;    2.635        = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      2.635
 
mt flange to bendix gear      &= nbsp;       1.720    &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     1.875       &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;       1.875
     (unactivated)
 
mt flange to bendix gear      &= nbsp;       2.220    &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      2.375      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        2.375
    (solenoid activated)
      
       Have you done a test mount = of the 'ACT" flywheel yet to measure exactly how much the starter needs to = be
repositioned??..................Also have you given any thought = to using<= /SPAN> a spacer suggested by Tracy between the =
flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find my &n= bsp;0.500 spacer that I offered while searching yesterday but I
will find it (thats what happens when your day job (caretaker= ) keeps you 55 miles and 5 years from your project)
and you forget where you put things for safekeeping !!..........= .............<:)
 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:<= /SPAN> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>= =20

To: Rotary motors = in aircraft <flyrotary= @lancaironline.net>
Se= nt: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM=20

 












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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.n= et
http://RotaryRoster.net


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