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Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:50:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: Message-ID: <1310842253.45298.YahooMailNeo@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1440758059-1310842253=:45298" --0-1440758059-1310842253=:45298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 In my mind the four RD!X drive plate bolts wo= uld go through both flex-plates with a spacer between=0Athem...............= Is this not the scenario ??................=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA= JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_= Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Mark Steitle= =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:42 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A=0A=0ABill,=C2=A0 =0A=0ANot sure which bolts= you're referring, there are eight (8) around the outside perimeter, and an= other six (6) that bolt the assy. to the e-shaft. =C2=A0If you're referring= to the four bolts that attach the 13B plate to the 20B/RX-8 plate, then ye= s, definitely torqued. =C2=A0They would need spacers so they would bolt sol= id and there wouldn't be any springiness. =C2=A0=0A=0AThe trick will be wit= h the four (4) bolts that attach the flexplate assy to the aluminum adapter= . =C2=A0Those bolts will have to be inserted through the 13b plate from the= rear, then the two plates bolted together with the other four bolts, then = the assy bolted to the e-shaft, and finally, the alum adapter bolted to the= flexplate assy. =C2=A0I am picturing a special wrench that has been heated= and bent to fit in through the lightening holes on the 20b flexplate. =C2= =A0Its tight, but workable. =C2=A0=0A=0A=0AMark S.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 1= 6, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote:=0A=0AM= ark,=0A>Don=E2=80=99t you think the bolts need to be torqued?=C2=A0 If you = tighten them down against two plates, there will be some springiness no mat= ter how stiff the plates are.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Bill B=0A>=C2=A0=0A>From:Rotary = motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark S= teitle=0A>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:58 PM=0A>=0A>To: Rotary motors in= aircraft=0A>=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A>= =C2=A0=0A>Kelly,=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Yes, spacers will be required, approxim= ately .250" thick, unless I decide to connect the two plates via welding, t= hen it won't matter if they touch or not. =C2=A0Originally, I thought they = would nest together without the need for spacers. =C2=A0I like the idea of = bolting them so it can be disassembled if necessary.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Mark=0A>O= n Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>Ma= rk,=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Do the bolt points of both flexplates ne= st together without any space between both =0A>flexplates or will spacers b= e needed when bolting together ??............Could not tell=0A>from the pho= to.................=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eve= ntually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backpla= te/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=C2=A0=0A>From:Mark Steitl= e =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:46 AM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary= ] Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A>=C2=A0=0A>All, =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Attached is a= picture of my proposed solution to the cracking flexplates. =C2=A0I used m= y old 13B flexplate, removed the ring gear, and nested it inside the 20B/RX= -8 flexplate. =C2=A0It could be held together by bolting or by welding arou= nd the outer perimeter, similar to how the ring gear is attached, although = welding may cause warping. =C2=A0If bolted, there would be ten bolts holdin= g the two flexplates together. =C2=A0I favor the bolting method as the four= bolts holding the aluminum adapter will be a bit tricky to install and bol= ting would make it a bit easier to assemble. =C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Mark=C2=A0= =0A>---------- Forwarded message ----------=0A>From: Mark =0A>Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:47 AM=0A>Subject: =0A>To: msteitle@gma= il.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPhone=0A>=C2=A0=0A>= =C2=A0=0A>--=0A>Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>Archive and Un= Sub:=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>= =0A>=0A>=C2=A0 --0-1440758059-1310842253=:45298 Content-Type: text/html; 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Mark,
 
   In my m= ind the four RD!X drive plate <= SPAN>bolts would go through both flex-plates with a spacer between
them...............I= s this not the scenario ??................
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.co= m>
To: Rotary motors = in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B= /RX-8 flexplate

Bill, =20

Not sure which bolts you're referring, there are eight (8) around the = outside perimeter, and another six (6) that bolt the assy. to the e-shaft.  If you're referring to the four bolts t= hat attach the 13B plate to the 20B/RX-8 plate, then yes, definitely torque= d.  They would need spacers so they would bolt solid and there wouldn'= t be any springiness.  

The trick will be with the four (4) bolts that attach the flexplate assy to the alumi= num adapter.  Those bolts will have to be inserted through the 13b pla= te from the rear, then the two plates bolted together with the other four b= olts, then the assy bolted to the e-shaft, an= d finally, the alum adapter bolted to the flexplate<= /SPAN> assy.  I am picturing a special w= rench that has been heated and bent to fit in through the lightening holes = on the 20b flexplate.  Its tight, but wo= rkable.  

Mark S.


On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Bill = Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:=
Mark,<= /U>
Don=E2=80= =99t you think the bolts need to be torqued?  If you tighten them down= against two plates, there will be some springiness no matter how stiff the= plates are.
&n= bsp;
Bill B=
&n= bsp;
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:= flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Be= half Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:58 PM=

To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate
=  
= Kelly, 
=  
= Yes, spacers will be required, approximatel= y .250" thick, unless I decide to connect the two plates via welding, then = it won't matter if they touch or not.  Originally, I thought they woul= d nest together without the need for spacers.  I like the idea of bolt= ing them so it can be disassembled if necessary.
=  
Mark
= On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Kelly Tro= yer <keltro@att.net> wrote:=
Mark,
 
   Do the bolt points of both flexplates nest together without any space between bo= th
flexplates or will spac= ers be needed when bolting together ??............Could not tell<= /U>
from the photo................. 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA= JD2" <= FONT color=3Dblack size=3D1 face=3DArial>(Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oi= l Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Tu= rbo
 
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net>
Sent: = Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:46 AM
Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Modified 20B/RX-8 flex= plate
 
All,
 
Attached is a picture of my proposed solution to the cracking= flexplates.  I used my old 13B flexplate, removed the ring gear, and nested it insid= e the 20B/RX-8 flexplate.  It could be h= eld together by bolting or by welding around the outer perimeter, similar t= o how the ring gear is attached, although welding may cause warping.  = If bolted, there would be ten bolts holding the two = flexplates together.  I favor the bolting method as the four bo= lts holding the aluminum adapter will be a bit tricky to install and boltin= g would make it a bit easier to assemble.  
 
Mark 
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Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:47 AM
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