Brian,
I am using the stock yellow ones from the
6 port Renesis. These are the part numbers for the injectors that are
used on the Renesis.
These are the stock Renesis injectors and
are made by Denso
Red P/N 195500-4430 225
CCM 21 Lbs
Blue P/N 195500-4460 540
CCM 51 Lbs
Yellow P/N 195500-4450 425 CCM 40 Lbs
Two red and two blue are used on the 4
port, two red and four yellow are used on the six port.
If you use Steve’s suggestion, it
will probably take you longer to tie it down and untie it than it will to do
the tuning! :>)
Bill B
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of bktrub@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011
10:52 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: more
staging and tuning
What injectors did you use? I'm using the
stock ones for my engine, which started out as a 13BREW (twin turbo) but is now
NA.( Primary 28 lbs, secondary 40 lb.) The only thing keeping me on the
ground (besides the crappy Seattle
weather) is my tuning. I've been up in the air a few times, but always with
some popping and stumbling at various throttle settings, along with bystanders
running for cover.
Next clear day I'll tie the tail down
again and then try the mode 3 under staging, 6 above, then mode 2 for
adjustment width, then mode 9.
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Message-----
From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:26 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: more staging and tuning
Calling the information Steve came up
with, “Simplifying”, really misses the mark by a wide margin.
I zeroed my EC-2 back to the factory numbers and then tuned the engine in
probably 15 minutes and then taxied out and flew.
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Winberry
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011
7:37 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: more
staging and tuning
Even though most of this is over my head a
bit, thanks for your time and effort. Watching the tuning challenges can
sometimes lead one to dread that upcoming phase. So, when someone offers
a way of simplifying the process, it promotes optimism.
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steven W. Boese
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011
5:41 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: more
staging and tuning
Correcting for the effect of injector lag
only under certain conditions is missing the whole point of making the
correction at all. The dead time is constant and as a result, it affects
the amount of fuel delivered under all conditions. The fact that the
correction made by my hardware was so effective tells me that you have nailed
the calculation of the amount of fuel required. All we have to do is
actually deliver that amount of fuel.
The secondary injectors are affected by
their dead time also, and the larger they are, the more of an effect that dead
time will have because the pulse width is smaller for the same amount of fuel
delivered. The information that I’ve seen indicates that dead times
are slightly different for different injectors but not by much. The 1.2
ms that I used is not a magic number, but using something in the neighborhood
of the actual value is much better than leaving it out.
Applying the dead time correction across
the board removes the requirement to correct for it anywhere in the MAP
table. Mode 6 then is needed only to compensate for the different flow
rating of the secondary injectors rather than using the MAP table correction to
compensate for a variable combination of flow rating and dead time (amoung
other things) throughout the whole MAP table.
I’ve attached an updated plot that
clarifies the questions Ed asked. As can be seen, it took less than 30
seconds to go from an essentially default controller condition to one that
worked well over the entire power range that I could attain. Adjusting
mode 6 for the case of different sized secondaries would only add a few seconds
to this procedure. I would expect that the tuning procedure would be equally
effective no matter what sized injectors (within reason) were used as long as
their dead times were taken into account.
If it doesn’t work this way,
I’ll eat my socks. What the heck…let’s up the
ante… I’ll eat YOUR socks. Know that I’m smiling while
writing this even though I might get a package from Shady Bend in the mail.
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011
2:02 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: more
staging and tuning
Interesting results Steve. I didn't
think a simple across the board increase would be that effective. In view
of your earlier results I made a minor change to the EC2/3 software to bump up
the injector pulse width but only when the staging point is
reached. This only applies to the setup for same sized primary
& secondary injectors. With the much larger secondaries on the 4 port
Renesis the mixture goes rich instead of lean at the staging point
(unless Mode 6 is adjusted to compensate).
I have not flight tested the change yet.
Tracy