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From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a7e6864980049de5e383 --001636c5a7e6864980049de5e383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Yep, all it takes is one stroke from a bureaucrat's pen to really screw things up for everyone. Mark On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Bill Bradburry wr= ote: > Mark, > > > > My bad! I started with the assumption that there were 64 oz in a quart. = I > had forgotten that you guys in Texas went back to the regular size quart = a > while back! :>) > > > > I am having the same problem finding Mogas around here with no alcohol in > it. A lot of the marinas around have the gas, but it is not too cheap an= d I > still have to haul it to the plane. I have a trailer with a couple of 55 > gal drums on it that I use to haul. The last I bought was $3.44 a gal. f= rom > a distributor 10 miles from the airport. I shudder to think what the nex= t > batch will cost. > > > > There is an airport, Winter Haven, 50 miles SSW from here that has Mogas > for $3.95 on AirNav today. I am restricted to 25 mile radius till I get= 10 > hours, then it goes to 100 miles for the balance of the 40 hours. I will= be > able to fly down there after I get the 10 hours. > > > > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2011 6:13 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point. > > > > Bill, > > > > One quart =3D 32 oz. So I added a little over 2 qts (1 qt./tank) along w= ith > 75 gal. of fuel (37 gal/tank). As I figure, that is approx. 1 oz/gal. T= hat > is the ratio of oil/fuel I've always used. > > > > As for switching from mogas, I switched because a year ago the %$#@%&^ > government bureaucrats mandated that all gas stations in Texas switch to = 10% > ethanol for all grades of fuel. As I've heard from others on the Lancair > list, ethanol will attack and soften the adhesive used to bond the wings > together. When that happens the tanks will begin to leak, or worse. I'v= e > searched and searched for non-ethanol mogas in my area and the closest th= at > I could find is at a marina about 75 miles away from where I live, or 125 > miles from where I keep the airplane... not a workable solution. So, for > now, I'm stuck with 100LL. The engine runs fine on 100LL and it doesn't > mess with the integrity of the wings. It just costs me an extra $100 to > fill 'er up. I try not to think about it. > > > > Mark > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > Mark, > > > > Really sounds like a great day. I hope you are still remembering it when > that credit card bill comes in! :>) There is a downside to getting the > plane flying! Gas Prices! > > > > So why did you go away from Mogas and do the more expensive 100LL? Also > why so much 2 stroke oil? You seem to be mixing at about 2 oz per gal. = Are > you getting oil into your crankcase at that level? I am using =BE to 1 o= z and > I get drops flicked onto the bottom of the plane from the exhaust. > > > > If I can get this tuning issue resolved, I plan to try and fly tomorrow. > > > > Bill B > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:12 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point. > > > > Bill, > > > > Yes, today was a perfect day to fly in Central Texas, mild temps, > practically zero wind, and severe clear. Since I needed fuel, I decided = to > fly down to my favorite fuel stop, Halletsville, TX (3T5) to gas up. It = is > about 45 miles SE from Lockhart. I had about 12 gallons in each tank, so= it > was time to re-fuel. Well, I flew over and landed at 3T5, taxi up to the > pump, and guess what.... the pumps were out of order. @$#%&%$ OK, now I > have about 19 gallons and need to find some fuel. So, I head over to > Fayette Regional (34R) (our favorite BBQ spot) about 30 miles due north. = It > wasn't the closest airport, but I know that they have fuel there, and the= ir > pumps work! I flew up to 34R and landed with about 15 gallons left in th= e > two tanks, not too risky, but the least amount of fuel I've ever flown wi= th > to date. Well, the pumps at 34R were working and I pumped in 75 gallons = and > added over 2 qts of 2-stroke oil. After almost maxing out my credit card= , I > taxied out, did a run-up, rolled out onto the active, and flew back to my > home base, Lockhart. So, all I accomplished was filling the tanks and > burning 15 gallons of 100LL, but had a great time doing it. It was kind = of > like going for a $100 hamburger, except without the burger. > > > > The p-port 20b ran flawlessly. Oil and coolant temps were below 160*F th= e > whole way. Engine didn't miss a beat while cruising along at 197mph (per > EM-2) @ 5100rpm (M/T prop dialed down to full coarse). I must say, the n= ew > LS2 coils sure appear to have cured the occasional intermittent mis-fire > problem. The engine just hummed along as sweet as pie. As they say, lif= e > doesn't get any better than this. You guys/gals that haven't yet flown, > don't dismay, your time is coming. > > > > Mark S. > > Lancair ES, N/A P-Port 20B > > Lockhart, Tx > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > Did you fly! We need a report! > > > > Bill B > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:03 AM > > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point. > > > > Bill, > > Maybe Lynn can comment on this, but personally I don't sandblast plugs. = My > suggestion is to replace the plugs with new ones. Most of my mis-fire > problems have been cured by either tuning or new spark plugs. > > > > Mark > > > > P.S. Its a beautiful Spring day in Austin and I'm heading to the airport > (will fly, assuming everything checks out). > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > Mark, > > The car the engine came from had about 1400 miles on it. I have run abou= t > 40 gallons of gas thru it. I will have to check the coils for darkening. > Also same for plug wires. I am using the stock Renesis plugs. I might t= ry > cleaning them. > > > > On a previous occasion, I flooded the engine and it would not start till = I > sand blasted the plugs. After that it started normally. > > > > This problem just happened on the second takeoff. The engine was running > smoothly at all rpms till I made the second takeoff. It started to miss = and > pop and the rpm would only go to about 6300. after I got in the air, I > dialed the prop back and the rpm was around 6000 and the engine smoothed = out > again and was ok the rest of the flight. Now it is missing on the ground > above the staging point. I have mine set at 16 inches. > > I watched the mixture and it seems fine on both sides of the staging poin= t > and also on up in the higher rpms. The only difference is that the engin= e > starts to miss.erratically. I didn=92t notice the EGT as Tracy suggested= . I > need to switch to the page that shows the temp of both of them and check > that today. > > > > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:50 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point. > > > > Bill, > > > > How do the coils look (underneath)? Are there dark areas in the potting > material where they have gotten hot? There is a history of coil failures= in > the RX-8's after about 30k miles. > > > > How many hours on the plugs/wires? How do they look? > > > > Mark > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > Mark, > > > > I have the stock Renesis coils. > > > > Bill B > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Saturday, March 05, 2011 6:19 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point. > > > > Bill, > > > > Which coils are you running? I chased an intermittent miss which occurre= d > in the 6000 -7000 range. I upgraded to the LS2 "Yukon" coils and the mis= s > was gone. > > > > Mark S. > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > I have developed a miss above the staging point. The fuel pressure seems > ok, the mixture also seems ok. I am at a loss. > > > > To try and troubleshoot, I am considering getting above the staging point > and disabling the primaries and secondaries to see if I can identify whic= h > is the cause. Since it runs ok below the stage, I assume it is not the > primaries. > > > > I recently changed my fuel filters and installed a large canister filter. > There seems a possibility that I introduced some contamination that clog= ged > an injector. Other wise it seems it must be spark related. This just > happened one flight ago. The engine was running fine, till that last > takeoff. It was missing and would only get about 6300 rpm. After take o= ff, > I turned the prop back and slowed the engine down to below that number an= d > it smoothed out and ran fine the res of the flight. Today while taxiing > around, I noticed that the miss was back. > > > > Opinions welcomed. > > > > Bill B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --001636c5a7e6864980049de5e383 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
=A0
Yep, all it takes is one stroke from a bureaucrat's pen to really = screw things up for everyone.=A0
=A0
Mark

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Bill Bradburry <= span dir=3D"ltr"><bbradburry= @bellsouth.net> wrote:

Mark,

=A0

My bad!=A0 I st= arted with the assumption that there were 64 oz in a quart.=A0 I had forgot= ten that you guys in Texas went back to the regular size quart a while back= !=A0 :>)

=A0

I am having the= same problem finding Mogas around here with no alcohol in it.=A0 A lot of = the marinas around have the gas, but it is not too cheap and I still have t= o haul it to the plane.=A0 I have a trailer with a couple of 55 gal drums o= n it that I use to haul.=A0 The last I bought was $3.44 a gal. from a distr= ibutor 10 miles from the airport.=A0 I shudder to think what the next batch= will cost.

=A0

There is an air= port, Winter Haven, 50 miles SSW from here that has Mogas for $3.95 =A0on A= irNav today.=A0 I am restricted to 25 mile radius till I get 10 hours, then= it goes to 100 miles for the balance of the 40 hours.=A0 I will be able to= fly down there after I get the 10 hours.

=A0

Bill

=A0

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Monday, March 07, 201= 1 6:13 AM
To: Rotary mot= ors in aircraft
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point.

=A0

Bill,

=A0

One quart =3D 32 oz. =A0So I added a little over 2 qt= s (1 qt./tank) along with 75 gal. of fuel (37 gal/tank). =A0As I figure, th= at is approx. 1 oz/gal. =A0That is the ratio of oil/fuel I've always us= ed.=A0

=A0

As for switching from mogas, I switched because a yea= r ago the %$#@%&^ government=A0bureaucrats=A0mandated that all gas stat= ions in Texas switch to 10% ethanol for all grades of fuel. =A0As I've = heard from others on the Lancair list, ethanol will attack and soften the a= dhesive used to bond the wings together. =A0When that happens the tanks wil= l begin to leak, or worse. =A0I've searched and searched for non-ethano= l mogas in my area and the closest that I could find is at a marina about 7= 5 miles away from where I live, or 125 miles from where I keep the airplane= ... not a workable solution. =A0So, for now, I'm stuck with 100LL. =A0T= he engine runs fine on 100LL and it doesn't mess with the integrity of = the wings. =A0It just costs me an extra $100 to fill 'er up. =A0I try n= ot to think about it. =A0

=A0

Mark

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bell= south.net> wrote:

Mark,

=A0

Really sounds l= ike a great day.=A0 I hope you are still remembering it when that credit ca= rd bill comes in!=A0 :>)=A0 There is a downside to getting the plane fly= ing!=A0 Gas Prices!

=A0

So why did you = go away from Mogas and do the more expensive 100LL?=A0 Also why so much 2 s= troke oil?=A0 You seem to be mixing at about 2 oz per gal.=A0 Are you getti= ng oil into your crankcase at that level?=A0 I am using =BE to 1 oz and I g= et drops flicked onto the bottom of the plane from the exhaust.

=A0

If I can get th= is tuning issue resolved, I plan to try and fly tomorrow.=A0 =

=A0

Bill B

=A0

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 201= 1 9:12 PM
To: Rotary mot= ors in aircraft
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point.

=A0

Bill,=A0

=A0

Yes, today was a perfect day to fly in Central Texas,= mild temps, practically zero wind, and severe clear. =A0Since I needed fue= l, I decided to fly down to my favorite fuel stop, Halletsville, TX (3T5) t= o gas up. =A0It is about 45 miles SE from Lockhart. =A0I had about 12 gallo= ns in each tank, so it was time to re-fuel. =A0Well, I flew over and landed= at 3T5, taxi up to the pump, and guess what.... the pumps were out of orde= r. =A0@$#%&%$ =A0OK, now I have about 19 gallons and need to find some = fuel. =A0So, I head over to Fayette Regional (34R) (our favorite BBQ spot) = about 30 miles due north. =A0It wasn't the closest airport, but I know = that they have fuel there, and their pumps work! =A0I flew up to 34R and la= nded with about 15 gallons left in the two tanks, not too risky, but the le= ast amount of fuel I've ever flown with to date. =A0Well, the pumps at = 34R were working and I pumped in 75 gallons and added over 2 qts of 2-strok= e oil. =A0After almost maxing out my credit card, I taxied out, did a run-u= p, rolled out onto the active, and flew back to my home base, Lockhart. =A0= So, all I accomplished was filling the tanks and burning 15 gallons of 100L= L, but had a great time doing it. =A0It was kind of like going for a $100 h= amburger, except without the burger. =A0

=A0

The p-port 20b ran flawlessly. =A0Oil and coolant tem= ps were below 160*F the whole way. =A0Engine didn't miss a beat while c= ruising along at 197mph (per EM-2) @ 5100rpm (M/T prop dialed down to full = coarse). =A0I must say, the new LS2 coils sure appear to have cured the occ= asional intermittent mis-fire problem. =A0The engine just hummed along as s= weet as pie. =A0As they say, life doesn't get any better than this. =A0= You guys/gals that haven't yet flown, don't dismay, your time is co= ming. =A0

=A0

Mark S.

Lancair ES, N/A P-Port 20B

Lockhart,= Tx =A0 =A0

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bell= south.net> wrote:

Did you fly!=A0= We need a report!

=A0

Bill B

=A0

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 201= 1 9:03 AM


= To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point.<= /font>

=A0

Bill,=A0

Maybe Lynn can comment on this, but personally I don&= #39;t sandblast plugs. =A0My suggestion is to replace the plugs with new on= es. =A0Most of my mis-fire problems have been cured by either tuning or new= spark plugs.=A0

=A0

Mark

=A0

P.S. =A0Its a beautiful Spring day in Austin and I= 9;m heading to the airport (will fly, assuming everything checks out).=A0

=A0

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bell= south.net> wrote:

Mark,

The car the eng= ine came from had about 1400 miles on it.=A0 I have run about 40 gallons of= gas thru it.=A0 I will have to check the coils for darkening.=A0 Also same= for plug wires.=A0 I am using the stock Renesis plugs.=A0 I might try clea= ning them.

=A0

On a previous o= ccasion, I flooded the engine and it would not start till I sand blasted th= e plugs.=A0 After that it started normally.

=A0

This problem ju= st happened on the second takeoff.=A0 The engine was running smoothly at al= l rpms till I made the second takeoff.=A0 It started to miss and pop and th= e rpm would only go to about 6300.=A0 after I got in the air, I dialed the = prop back and the rpm was around 6000 and the engine smoothed out again and= was ok the rest of the flight.=A0 Now it is missing on the ground above th= e staging point.=A0 I have mine set at 16 inches.

I watched the m= ixture and it seems fine on both sides of the staging point and also on up = in the higher rpms.=A0 The only difference is that the engine starts to mis= s.erratically.=A0 I didn=92t notice the EGT as Tracy suggested.=A0 I need t= o switch to the page that shows the temp of both of them and check that tod= ay.

=A0

Bill

=A0

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2= 011 9:50 PM
To: Rotary m= otors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point.

=A0

Bill,=A0

=A0

How do the coils look (underneath)? =A0Are there dark= areas in the potting material where they have gotten hot? =A0There is a hi= story of coil failures in the RX-8's after about 30k miles. =A0 =A0

=A0

How many hours on the plugs/wires? =A0How do they loo= k?

=A0

Mark =A0<= /p>

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bell= south.net> wrote:

Mark,

=A0

I have the stoc= k Renesis coils.

=A0

Bill B

=A0

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2= 011 6:19 PM
To: Rotary m= otors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Miss above staging point.

=A0

Bill,=A0

=A0

Which coils are you running? =A0I chased an intermitt= ent miss which occurred in the 6000 -7000 range. =A0I upgraded to the LS2 &= quot;Yukon" coils and the miss was gone. =A0

=A0

Mark S.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bell= south.net> wrote:

I have develope= d a miss above the staging point.=A0 The fuel pressure seems ok, the mixtur= e also seems ok.=A0 I am at a loss.

=A0

To try and trou= bleshoot, I am considering getting above the staging point and disabling th= e primaries and secondaries to see if I can identify which is the cause.=A0= Since it runs ok below the stage, I assume it is not the primaries.=

=A0

I recently chan= ged my fuel filters and installed a large canister filter.=A0 There seems a= possibility =A0that I introduced some contamination that clogged an inject= or.=A0 Other wise it seems it must be spark related.=A0 This just happened = one flight ago.=A0 The engine was running fine, till that last takeoff.=A0 = It was missing and would only get about 6300 rpm.=A0 After take off, I turn= ed the prop back and slowed the engine down to below that number and it smo= othed out and ran fine the res of the flight.=A0 Today while taxiing around= , I noticed that the miss was back.

=A0

Opinions welcom= ed.

=A0

Bill B

=A0

=A0

=A0

=A0

=A0

=A0

=A0

<= /div>
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