X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.52.228] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with SMTP id 4571593 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:29:27 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.52.228; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.52.190] by nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2010 00:28:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.177] by tm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2010 00:28:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2010 00:28:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 498312.161.bm@omp1060.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52578 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2010 00:22:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1289262130; bh=nOSsYue6ViYFA2mKT6PR9svjkwoVuae4IjF1keZSXcA=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=luVCaiIZdeUb48SVP2RIppAAAIFu7m5iI8/ofyuEVRT7I8O4D1xURAL41mw3KTXkuKmhp34oRbKcg7tCXr2CF09U7+M8DvxQmiWZ79IOh3gSJjDHpAMvxlu+shBpLUmoJY05DT98xKzna2HIW+YTY9afSJfOjfHXXNoKutlDsT0= Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.102.149 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Nov 2010 16:22:10 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- X-YMail-OSG: Fbh2c44VM1npwTYJ99LsDYECfYnDnxx7fYvOzvWqH8kmPWa CT7i3ysvz6Tc5bl3KZuhro95ieg70NLQO5J1GbRJX9l7cvFmEHhCehO4lJzK le_rccJNHrmxqN357r_oLSxuc2UdGzccP_B4.3KF_9M0Pdd3dFavtvo6PLyy RystL1WF2b.BkZ0G7fYw7epKe94gb251ZrSlDu9ioisbjHpgZkzQebaRWFbj xE6.x3l2Gwgpoo3vtVZHVQ.q.yaeC8n6TSfKFDNf5loZdyreFR4.0ojlCRvK i6eqEZUlIQJrE4.c77UK4ooFK0cJs6G8I3wsUi_.9XpfAbQi6RVg3IQg7Ewm Ou6mfQbFf26d6YnqFLIvm X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Bear hawk dream airplane Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:23:16 -0500 Message-ID: <8973B94FE00944F6B1E487552A5E2522@acer7fbfa7e2f7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: Act/orPoCuziOQHlQ+aBqKi222QgowAAGigg In-Reply-To: Charlie, I would agree with you regarding rudder use with one exception. The F-4 was one fighter that required extensive rudder use. Using aileron at high AOA would tend to cause the aircraft to depart controlled flight. The newer fighters, not so much. That being said, it still comes down to basic stick and rudder skills. Whether you have 100 or 100.000 hours, you have to get good instruction and stay proficient. That's true for a 152 or a SR-71. Bryan BTW, I slip my "heavy" sometimes if ATC slam dunks me. -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 7:13 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bear hawk dream airplane On 11/8/2010 3:08 PM, Don Walker wrote: > On 11/8/2010 10:43 AM, Don Walker wrote: >> Dustin, >> My hanger landlord, a 20,000 hour ATP finished building a Bearhawk >> with an 0-540 in it. He's a serial builder and it's a 10.5 out of >> 10. According to him, the design has several serious flaws. He put >> it on it's back in a moderate crosswind. Cost him 30 grand. After >> checking out the problem he found: The landing gear from the factory >> are not straight. He modified and straightened them. It needs Much >> more engine offset. The tail is much too small. Factory support >> leaves much to be desired and design deficiency problems are left to >> be worked out by the builders. The company may be in financial >> trouble. I have flown it in once with him since all the rework. >> Nice solid airplane and not as heavy on the controls as many. I >> watched his landing on a no wind day and he worked very hard with a >> lot of fast stick and rudder work. He still won't fly it with >> moderate cross winds. There is a Bearhawk builders group on Yahoo. >> Suggest you spend a lot of time reading over the postings. Just a >> heads up. >> >> Don Walker >> RV-8 Renesis >> Flying and modifying > Charles England > F-4, MD-80, Built 2 RV-8s too! I'm always happy to stir things up. > Flame on! > Don Walker The F-4 & MD-80 time doesn't mean diddly when you start flying a tailwheel a/c (which is what I was talking about in my 1st post). I've never had the chance to fly a Bearhawk but I have had fighter pilots try to fly my -4. The ones that know how to use their feet didn't learn it in the military or at the airlines. No flaming intended; I just want to know a critic's credentials. :-) Charlie -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html