X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.73] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with SMTP id 4571026 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:26:54 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.73; envelope-from=roundrocktom@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 17:26:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.5] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 17:26:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 17:26:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 914252.42210.bm@omp1005.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 32824 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2010 17:26:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1289237178; bh=tmRKhMMFz8mOoI35CKTGeQYTkrgUkmcWpvShLHjk7u8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bPSz6ZinOQHuCboB/yLU671cPWLtKxIKH5RlBunm/LPdNbCtGiWpVnxzN60hemiMMPPGkBiXU4b57xdyR0LYzOO4dxCrTJIyy4c+aTL3enmmcmB/NK95UL+QH9+76jyJu+28QcWgBk7EP7Pb8g22RlzemmNErQ+qYOfq1S86uqc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bcPLKbdx43X7qrW8IlCaSijlp6ZnczPiecTgtC4JTD+eqSSNtunjeFTFHNL2CR1l4Bj/MZaNOwPqoGhz27SLIPMwLO1eCQZM8OSHrOFRaeJN/suKUo8nK1UhU4TaeR7uhYd7Plou5axPZgiwDB9f2tcgyVshPb5aX0BEh1YjBxk=; Message-ID: <450616.32582.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AAZFX8AVM1ns7cfjWyHIW6IWHIjegqNHf5.EJY5zSGa.HgJ 8.ZlBtjn5_SDr1vA9BHMbBDnInYbUHsDpgeunxJfpEW.Rpp2DOy_TRmdrEjg O3I.fvUVWMlVgU6XnwIF6y45qdc2Mz8IZvYylhia0Zjc4SQ0jf6yPTL5cOqB gQfvJ5PiPUBCJtLqUHWEcUufvOdAgfhKuNWzZzc6h5TNa.iFaFQTd2QbyMMF 765VOEYoYYF8c5mb9Dcy_jzCEdFwLkHU0lC0lJ1wD0T6jlSEVubZjrR0YxZY c10sWBb0K8PI0nuwJanG9fGwKko98v20DI5BEZSzRB8QmW.86vlRenE1N3zr j1.RaaL7QP8vW3SRBoGYPrNnLtsaUi0DjRj0Prw-- Received: from [199.181.237.66] by web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:26:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Walter Subject: Re: Current "state of the art" in rotaries - potential Bearhawk install To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dustin, I'd recommend to start building the plane. If scratch building, start on wings, then on fuselage. You'll have a few years to think about what engine to use during this process. 13B - Normal porting. 180hp which is good for a Bearhawk 13B - Peripheral Port. 250hp which is excellent. 20B - w/ normal porting. 300hp? Initial Engine cost a little more expensive, but very doable as most rebuild parts will come from the 13B. I'm thinking of 13B with normal porting, then a peripheral port. Both engines being near identical for FWF installations, so conversion is not that difficult. Goal is to get flying, get everything debugged, size radiators for 40% larger than needed (so when HP is increased, they should remain the same for oil and water cooling). Do you have plans on putting it on floats? I.e. I can see the increase hp of the 20B, but for hp/weight trade off on a Peripheral Port 13B it gives a nice sweet spot of decent hp with less weight. Elden Yates built the first Rotary Powered Bearhawk, he had it for sale on Barnstormers, but never did see a full report on his installation. Often when planes are resold, they are harder to sell unless fitted with an aircraft engine. Just the way it it (Tom Yoehman never did sell his V6 Ford Powered Bearhawk, until he removed the engine and installed a good - but used 0-360 with fixed prop... sold a few weeks later). My goal is to build "simple, but light". Hence engine choice, basic panel, 13B, fixed prop. I'll go with Dual Batteries, but other than than nothing too fancy (single alternator, etc). Nothing to show on the engine, but firewall locations (remember that 6 degree set back for the firewall!) and the Mount I'm planning on using. You can find cheap rusty cores when you go to mock up the engine mount. I need the PSRU for nose, cowling, but lots to do before I get to that so no rush. http://www.mykitlog.com/twalter Tom Walter Bearhawk QB#59