X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mx2.netapp.com ([216.240.18.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTPS id 4489033 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:11:07 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.240.18.37; envelope-from=echristley@att.net X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,266,1283756400"; d="scan'208";a="461356837" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 01 Oct 2010 07:10:32 -0700 Received: from [10.62.16.204] (ernestc-laptop.hq.netapp.com [10.62.16.204]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id o91EAWXk022823 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CA5EBD3.5050008@att.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:10:27 -0400 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@att.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: simple dyno References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why would it need to be wood? Not that wood would be lacking. A typical prop is. . .what?. . .3"x8" at= the hub, for a total cross-section of 18sq.".=20 A 5"x5" beam would give you 25sq.", and the typical prop is quickly nar= rowed down to a very flat section. And your=20 not worried about weight, so you could use something strong but heavy, li= ke oak or hickory. But, you could also use an aluminum bar. McMaster-Carr has a 5"x5"x6' 60= 61 aluminum bar for $700=20 (http://www.mcmaster.com/#aluminum/=3D933sgh). A 4"x4" of 6061 is $450, = and a 4"x4" of 2024 is $1060. Kind of expensive,=20 but $700 won't buy much dyno time either. Package (crate?) it correctly,= have it validated against a standard dyno, and=20 it could be rented out to other builders. A composite bar could be built in a few days. Again, since weight is not= a concern, you could make it a solid layup,=20 but you'd probably want to limit the wall thickness to something simply r= idiculous like 1/2", rather than going batsh!7=20 crazy, just to save materials. Either way, it would probably hold the we= ight of a dump truck without blinking. Bill Bradburry wrote: > Over my head! >=20 > A 75 inch log that is 5 inches square swinging at 7000 rpm??? If 191 H= P=20 > can do that I will be surprised, but would not want to be close enough = > to witness it! [:=20 > =20 >=20 > Bill B >=20 > =20 >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - >=20 > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = > *On Behalf Of *Andrew Martin > *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:56 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] simple dyno >=20 > =20 >=20 > Whilst researching propellers, I came across this gem of info from=20 > www.jcpropellerdesign.com >=20 >=20 > Gustave Eiffel (1832-1923) came up with a simple solution for measuring= =20 > HP without complex apparatus, By using a /balanced /wood bar instead of= =20 > a propeller with a square cross section of 1/15th of the length of the = > bar, you can measure the rpm and calculate the HP available. >=20 > Power in HP =3D 0.0532 (diameter/450)5 (RPM/1000)3 >=20 > =20 >=20 > As I need a load on the engine when I run it I=92m going to give this a= =20 > go, 1350 x 90mm at 7000 rpm will give me 191hp, that=92ll do if I can g= et it. > --=20 > Regards >=20 > Andrew Martin > Renesis RD1c >=20 > West Australia >=20