X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com ([209.85.223.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.6) with ESMTP id 4250643 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 06 May 2010 21:05:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.173; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by iwn3 with SMTP id 3so842517iwn.3 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 18:05:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SX7Sd1hLdNah+cvFhEj/dIe0o6hlUI2rtG/6C60Wa/A=; b=f27JaUlm7jFJ0HKUIZFyRruzJAoG51uMWaNtdAs/1kxJ98oMeQWMzZsamFWk1GSZOr Y/MSGcYex9NisrTbYb3ExCqu7dxcA/D0fuR59zJ1nXzMOGLzJQjeRUaw62ZP8A6zn+72 v297S5UQFowqlpXN33MdC02LnUlY6mDzyEofU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uslQwrF9Y4aB+wzjO5FcsDv4bIFzbWY8uezvMjxXW5o+JaotSHrppwYfh/BYKMEfyh bpx0AHSm/CkAAL2f0ReIajI/lQFtbxp0bA2ILYn1jyxbcL/WmSYDw5Dm1LU5vjb2z/Xo NkF8FjLmbDxFftDbG89adtgZz6Ge1DRExq6Zk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.190.142 with SMTP id di14mr629263ibb.83.1273194315680; Thu, 06 May 2010 18:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.190.5 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:05:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:05:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] alternative water pump From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ec90eea8c340485f6a6ea --0016364ec90eea8c340485f6a6ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly, Yes, the 20B wp is similar to the 13B, but longer and the housing is larger (two thermostats) also. The renesis housing will fit onto the 20B, but the studs will need to be replaced with ones that are approx. 1/2" longer. (I found some 8mm studs at McMaster Carr for about $3.50/ea.). The problem is with the pulleys. You'll have to figure something out on that. I had a Renesis front hub with pulley. The Renesis hub won't interchange with the 20b, so I had to have it modified. Nothing major, but additional work. You may have better luck getting your pulleys to line up without having to resort to machining misc. pieces. I got lucky and found a new Renesis front cover, wp, and oil injection pump for $100. Not too bad a deal. It was missing the thermostat housing, so I had to make an adapter, but I could have bought one of those pretty cheap from the wrecking yard. I bought some aftermarket pulleys for < $100. And as I had stated earlier, I already had the Renesis crank pulley, hub and CA= S wheel. Now I need to remove the 20B WP, install the Renesis WP, weld up the new plumbing to fit, and relocate the alternators. See, nothing to it! Mark S. P.S. PL builds & sells a Renesis inlet/outlet adapter for $150. Adds a bi= t of weight, but incorporates the radiator cap. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > George, > List on the Meziere pump is $360.00 US + adapters for hose + building > something to mount it to the 13B.............RX8 pump is $138.00 plus you > will need the RX8 front cover (with pump housing built in) to cut the > housing > from the cover to facilitate mounting to 13B or 20B..........I have not > found > a price for a new front cover and pump combined but I will bet Mark can > tell us...........If a cover can be found used one may save some > money....... > > Mark just read your reply...........I may not have the info above > correct..... > Is the 20B pump housing almost the same as the 13B housing.......Separate > from the front cover ??.........Will the RX8 pump and housing then bolt t= o > the 20B (or 13B) "With minor mods" ??............ > -- > Kelly Troyer > "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > > > > > -------------- Original message from "George Lendich" < > lendich@aanet.com.au>: -------------- > > =EF=BB=BF > Kelly, > Which is the most cost effective way to go? > George (down under) > > Michael, > Beautiful pump but did you see a few posts back that Mark Steitle has > adapted a RX8 aluminum pump to his 20B and reported several lbs of > weight saving..........Jump in here Mark............Photos welcome > !!......... > -- > Kelly Troyer > "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > -------------- Original message from "Michael Silvius" : > -------------- > > > > Anyone try running one of these yet? > > > > http://www.meziere.com/ps-1224-0-WP430S.aspx > > > > I am looking to delete the big heavy cast unit on my 13B...but not > increase > > my electric draw. > > > > Michael in Maine > > > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > --0016364ec90eea8c340485f6a6ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly,=C2=A0

Yes, the 20B wp is similar to the 13B, but = longer and the housing is larger (two thermostats) also. =C2=A0The renesis = housing will fit onto the 20B, but the studs will need to be replaced with = ones that are approx. 1/2" longer. =C2=A0(I found some 8mm studs at Mc= Master Carr for about $3.50/ea.). =C2=A0

The problem is with the pulleys. =C2=A0You'll have = to figure something out on that. =C2=A0I had a Renesis front hub with pulle= y. =C2=A0The Renesis hub won't interchange with the 20b, so I had to ha= ve it modified. =C2=A0Nothing major, but additional work. =C2=A0You may hav= e better luck getting your pulleys to line up without having to resort to m= achining misc. pieces.

I got lucky and found a new Renesis front cover, wp, and oil= injection pump for $100. =C2=A0Not too bad a deal. =C2=A0It was missing th= e thermostat housing, so I had to make an adapter, but I could have bought = one of those pretty cheap from the wrecking yard. =C2=A0I bought some after= market pulleys for < $100. =C2=A0And as I had stated earlier, I already = had the Renesis crank pulley, hub and CAS wheel. =C2=A0

Now I need to remove the 20B WP, install the Renesis WP= , weld up the new plumbing to fit, and relocate the alternators. =C2=A0See,= nothing to it!

Mark S.=C2=A0

=
P.S. =C2=A0PL builds & sells a Renesis inlet/outlet adapter for $1= 50. =C2=A0Adds a bit of weight, but incorporates the radiator cap. =C2=A0


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7= :15 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
George,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 List on the Meziere pump is $360.00 US + adapters f= or hose + building
something to mount it to the 13B.............RX8 pump is $138.00 plus = you
will need the RX8 front cover (with pump housing built in) to cut the = housing
from the cover to facilitate mounting to 13B or 20B..........I have no= t found
a price for a new front cover and pump combined but I will bet Mark ca= n
tell us...........If=C2=A0a cover=C2=A0can be found used one may save = some money.......
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mark just read your reply...........I may not have the in= fo above correct.....
Is the 20B pump housing almost the same as the=C2=A013B housing.......= Separate
from the front cover ??.........Will the=C2=A0RX8 pump and housing the= n bolt to
the 20B (or=C2=A013B) "With minor mods" ??............=C2=A0= =C2=A0
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
&q= uot;RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold <= br>


=C2=A0
-------------- Original message from "George Lendich" &= lt;lendich@aanet.= com.au>: --------------

=EF=BB=BF=20
=C2=A0Kelly,
Which is the most cost effective way t= o go?
George (down under)
Michael,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Beautiful pump but did you see a few posts back tha= t Mark Steitle has
adapted a RX8 aluminum pump to his 20B and reported several lbs of
weight saving..........Jump in here Mark............Photos welcome !!.= ........
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
&q= uot;RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold <= br>
-------------- Original message from "Michael Silvius" = <silvius@gwi.net>: --------------


> Anyone try running one of these yet?
>
> http://= www.meziere.com/ps-1224-0-WP430S.aspx
>
> I am looking to= delete the big heavy cast unit on my 13B...but not increase
> my electric draw.
>
> Michael in Maine
>
>=
>
> --
> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and Un= Sub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.ht= ml

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