You’re Welcome, Mike,
I did not make my point clearly - While
its clear exhaust augmentation can work , the question is - will the benefit be
worth the cost in most cases?. In effect, adding band aids trying to
solve say - a fundamentally cooling challenged installation is likely to be
unproductive in the long run, than say - investment in fixing
and/or “tuning” your cooling system
I am not against exhaust augmentation –
I just question the return on invest for MOST cases.
I am all for experimentation – just think
that expectations should be realistic (on the other hand that requirement will
exclude most of us from this “Hobby” {:>)).
Best Regards
Ed
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Wills
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:43
AM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:
Augmentors (was Re: 20B RV-8 cooling results)
Thanks for the input - always valued. I question whether
the augmentor would help at all on the ground given the relatively low power
settings. Low exhaust flow trying to drag exit air through a constricted tube would
possibly cool worse on the ground than a conventional exit.
You said "there's no question that the exhaust
augmentation can work if done properly...". If you mean there is no
question that effective cooling can be had in an installation using augmentors,
I agree. Again, C-310 and T-34 are examples. But if you mean that there is no
question that exhaust augmentation can provide effective cooling, reduce
cooling drag with a consequent increase in airplane performance, and also
reduce, not increase noise and weight, I'd ask you to cite examples. I know of
none.
Sent: Saturday,
May 01, 2010 6:05 AM
Subject:
[FlyRotary] Re: 20B RV-8 cooling results
Hi Mike,
The theory indicates that once you get the
inlet/diffuser combination worked out – the inlet size should be in the
range of from 25 – 40% of core frontal area. After than, it’s
actually the exit conditions that dominated the air flow through the
core/cowl. A streamline duct diffuser (K&W) is the most efficient
practical diffuser (at least that I have come across) – the theory behind
it is to keep the air flow energy (velocity) high until just before you expand
the duct area in front of the core to convert the dynamic energy to a localized
pressure increase. From what I have read, it appears that smoothness and
preventing air flow separation from the duct walls near the inlet is of major
importance. Any disturbance there creates an expanding
“shadow” of disturbed air which impinges on the core and reduces
the effectiveness of that area. So prevent flow separation is one of the
key challenges.
I developed my “Pinched” ducts
for short run ducts (the streamline duct requires something like 16” for
cores our nominal size for optimum performance). The ideal behind my
“Pinched” ducts is to speed up the airflow through the pinched area
giving the boundary layer of the flow more energy to stay attached to the duct
walls as it makes the curve just before the core. Any separation that
does happened is much closer to the core and generally up near the edges and
corners – where the core is not particularly effective in the first
place. Been flying with them for over 5 years and they do the job for my
installation – however, just about any, smooth flowing duct will add to
cooling effectiveness – sharp discontinuities generally do not help.
There is no question that the exhaust
augmentation can work if done properly, the question in my mind is whether
there are easier ways to accomplish the desired results. It’s my
opinion (have not tried one) is that if it were easy to achieve success and
there were major benefits, we would be seeing them on many more
installations. The one’s I have read about that seem to be
successful were not what I would call simply installations. Most have a
long tunnel of some sort in which the exhaust is directed out the end causing
airflow inside the tunnel to be accelerated and “dragged”
along and out from under the cowl. In many cowls that presents a
considerable challenge to fabricate - as such things as motor mounts and
hardware have a way of getting in the way.{:>)
I can see that Exhaust augmentation might
be advantageous for promoting airflow during taxi and other low speed
operations such as ground run up – if other ways can not be found to do
the job. But, if an installation is not cooling at cruise – then
the cooling system needs work
Just an opinion
Ed.
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Wills
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:39
PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B RV-8
cooling results
Should have mentioned in my previous comment about
augmentors, and related to Ed's comments here regarding positive pressure
within the cowl impacting differential across the core. Cooling is one problem
I have not experienced. And I think part of the reason is that unlike most of
the guys currently flying tractor installations, with my radiator under the
engine, exit air has an unobstructed flow.
I think I actually did a pretty lousy job of building an
inlet diffuser. I've never instrumented it and taken any measurements, but with
some tweaking I bet I could reduce the inlet size some without a negative
impact on cooling. I think it works pretty well as is in spite of the inlet
because the exit is good.
Sent: Wednesday,
April 28, 2010 5:36 AM
Subject:
[FlyRotary] Re: 20B RV-8 cooling results
Hi George,
As you know, taking heat away from your
radiator cores requires sufficient air mass flow – a number of factors
affect this – one of the principle factors is pressure differential
across your core. No pressure differential = no flow. The primary
positive pressure on the front side of the core comes from converting dynamic
energy of the moving air into a local static pressure increase in front of the
core. This is basically limited by your airspeed and efficiency of your
duct/diffuser. The back side of your core air flow (in most installations)
exits inside the cowl. Therefore any positive pressure above ambient
under the cowl is going to reduce the pressure differential across your
core. So once you have the best duct/diffuser you can achieve on the
front side of the core – the only thing left to increase the pressure
differential is to reduce the pressure under the cowl.
An extreme example is someone who flies
with an opening (such as one of the typical inlet holes beside the prop)
exposed to the air flow. In effect this hole with little/no resistance to
airflow can “pressurize” the cowl and raise the air pressure behind
the radiator cores reducing the pressure differential and therefore the
cooling. Exhaust augmentation is theoretically a way to reduce the under
the cowl pressure by using the exhaust pulse to “pump” air from
under the cowl, thereby improving the Dp across the core and therefore your cooling.
While exhaust augmentation can apparently
work – there was a KITPLANE issue back several years ago on the topic
showing several installations where this was used. However, from what I
read (and think I understand), it takes some carefully planning to get an
installation to work correct and the effort is not trivial. Give the
challenges you may encounter (such as motor mount struts, etc), fabrication of
the augmentation exit, the need to have the exhaust pulse exit at or
inside the cowl (or construct an extended bottom cowl tunnel) means you would
have the bark of a rotary in front of your feet. Also, to gain maximum
advantage of these techniques, it is desirable to have the exhaust velocity at
the maximum – which implies little/no muffling. Having had my
muffler back out one time (at the cowl exit), I can tell you that you do not
want to position the pilot behind the exhaust outlet (in my opinion). It
is much quieter when you have the exhaust exit behind the position of the pilot
{:>).
Some few people seem to have been able to
achieve some degree of success, but even in aircraft where you have an engine
without the aggressive bark of the rotary, you seldom see it used. The
basic reason (in my opinion), is that it offers few advantages (cooling wise)
that can not be achieved easier and more reliability by other methods.
For an all out racer where noise and discomfort is secondary, it may have some
benefit.
Having said that, it’s clear that in
some installations it appears to work well (see KITPLANE issue), but if it were
the magic solution, I think many more folks would be employing it – but,
again, just my opinion.
Ed
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:41
PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B RV-8
cooling results
Can't say as I understand Tracy's set- up completely, other than it's
toward the lower end of Rad sizes. I was thinking to myself how I could
create a -ve pressure in the rad outlet to create a suction on the Rad. We all
know how the exhaust augmentation works and I was wondering why we can't do the
same thing with the rad outlets by running the rad outlets inro a larger outlet
fed by outside air. At idle the air is fed by the prop air stream and at level
fight it is fed by outside air stream.
The outside air could be could controlled by a
butterfly - simple enough. I know there emphasis on using shutter /flaps to control
the cowl outlet and I believe their good at restricting air flow, but I don't
know if this equates to a good -ve pressure behind the Rad. This presupposes
the Rads are completely enclosed for both inlet and outlet air.
75% of my cooling problems were solved with the oil cooler change I did
but still needed more margin for hot weather climbs. Made the decision
to not change or enlarge the cooling outlet (that adds drag) so went
ahead and butchered the pretty inlets I made.
Ed Anderson's spreadsheet on BTUs & CFM cooling air required was
instrumental in deciding to go this way. It showed that without
negative pressure on the back side of the rads, there would never be enough cfm
to do the job during climb at full throttle. Negative pressure is what I
had when I flew without the cowl on but oh what a draggy condition that was.
The old inlets were 4.5" diameter for the radiator and 4.125"
diameter for oil cooler.
New inlets are 5.190" for the
rad, and 4.875" dia for the oil.
This may not sound like a lot but it represents a 36% increase in inlet area.
Results were excellent. Oil temp went down 19 degrees at the test speed
(130) and water temp dropped 9 degrees. On 80 degree day and 500 ft msl
the oil temp maxed out at 194F at 210 mph which is way faster than I would
normally go at this altitude. Temp was around 175 at 130.
Oil Temp in climb remained below redline (210) but the temperature lapse rate
today made results not very meaningful. OAT was dropping 14 degrees a
minute at 3000 fpm climb rate.
now back to that nasty composite work to pretty up the inlets again. They
look like large stubby pitot tubes now.
I hadn't thought of a good name for the RV-8 but a friend in California recently came up with the winning
idea which fit it well. "Euphoriac" It's a term from a
Sci Fi book (Vintage Season) meaning something which induces
euphoria.