X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.103.7] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.6) with SMTP id 4243601 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 01 May 2010 07:24:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.18.103.7; envelope-from=piolenc@archivale.com Received: (qmail 6207 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 11:26:24 -0000 Received: from gator1084.hostgator.com (174.120.170.162) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 1 May 2010 11:26:24 -0000 Received: from [112.198.248.207] (port=17435 helo=[192.168.2.102]) by gator1084.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O8Anz-0008P2-Q7 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 01 May 2010 06:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <4BDC0F5F.1080508@archivale.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 19:24:15 +0800 From: Marc de Piolenc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Ejector cooling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1084.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - archivale.com Mike Wills wrote the quoted passages: "1) It adds measurable weight." Compared with what? What if a small addition of weight solves your cooling problems and reduces cooling drag. Would you refuse to do it? "2) It adds complexity." How complex can a device with no moving parts be? "3) It adds noise (that alone in hindsight makes me glad I didn’t do it - god knows I don’t need more noise)." No. Mixer-ejectors are used for noise REDUCTION. Successfully. "4) And finally, not a single person I spoke with noticed a measurable improvement in either cooling performance or drag reduction after adding an augmentor, or noticed a measurable reduction after eliminating the augmentor." You seem to have consulted a very select group. In volume 2 of Alternative Engines, page 139 et seq, Charles Airesman Jr. documents his experiments with a very primitive ejector that generated 6 inches of water pressure drop under shop runup conditions. That equates to a considerable shaft power savings, more reliable ground cooling and a big step forward. And this was Airesman's first attempt. There are other success stories if you choose to seek them out. Best regards, Marc de Piolenc Those seem like good enough reasons to pass on an augmentor unless you are one of those guys that just has to prove it to yourself. Mike Wills