X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail1.fdic.gov ([167.176.16.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.5) with ESMTPS id 4235993 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:05:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.176.16.5; envelope-from=brogers@fdic.gov X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAE623.65B14280" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:05:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1F44A251F397E444B05E240B8688AB790693C00C@DALEXC100P.PROD.FDIC.GOV> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area Thread-Index: AcrmIVS6QO/dqWojQASvjScP12d6RgAAdgOA References: From: "Rogers, Bob J." To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Return-Path: BRogers@FDIC.gov X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2010 16:05:06.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[67692BB0:01CAE623] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAE623.65B14280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Static is about 5,000 rpm with approximately 36" MP. =20 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:49 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 "Remember Bob's Mustang II is "Turbo Boosted" !!....." Ahh, that would explain it. What was the manifold pressure at that RPM Bob? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: Remember Bob's Mustang II is "Turbo Boosted" !!................. -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 =20 -------------- Original message from Tracy Crook : --------------=20 =09 5000 is respectable with that prop. I got 5200 static but with a 68 - 71 prop & 2.176 drive. =09 If yours is really a 68 - 88 prop, you can be proud of that 5000. =09 Tracy Crook On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Rogers, Bob J. wrote: Static is about 5,000 engine rpm with a 2.17 redrive. =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:04 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 Bob, They claim that the prop loses 4" of pitch at take off. That would give you a 68 X 80 during static runup. What static rpm do you get when you do the runup? Do you have the 2.17 or the 2.85 ratio drive? =20 Bill B =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Rogers, Bob J. Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:06 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 The prop is a Prince P-tip composite propeller. 68" diameter x 84" pitch. See http://princeaircraft.com/ =20 Bob R =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:28 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 That really makes an aerodynamic installation! Needlenose! By the way, what kind of prop is that? =20 Bill B =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Rogers, Bob J. Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:16 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 Bill, =20 There is baffling along the sides of the radiator and oil cooler that cause all air entering the nose bowl openings to pass through the radiator and oil cooler (instead of around them) before it exits the bottom, where a large cowl flap regulates the amount of air flowing through the engine compartment. See the attached pictures. The oil cooler is at the top of the radiator. Initially, my oil got too hot at high power settings, so I added a second Mazda 13B oil cooler (in series) and placed it right in front of the radiator. It worked, and the oil temps are now about 10 degrees cooler than the water. I keep the water temp at about 180 degrees F most of the time and never more than 200 degrees F. =20 The plane flies beautifully and is currently being painted. Stay tuned for pictures of the finished project. =20 =20 Bob J. Rogers Mustang II N62BT =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:58 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 Bob, I noticed that you have the radiator mounted at an angle behind the engine. Tell me again how you are ducted to and from the rad? What about the oil cooler? Where is it and how is it ducted. What about any cooling issues? How is your plane flying now that it has been a year? =20 Bill B =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Rogers, Bob J. Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:16 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 I am the guy in McKinney. See http://www.eaa1246.org/projectsnplanesdisplay.asp?id=3D10 and http://www.eaa1246.org/videodisplay.asp?id=3D36 I am not an A&P. =20 Bob Rogers Mustang II N62BT =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Winberry Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:57 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 There's also a guy in McKinney. I can't remember his name, but you could find it on the EAA website. Bryan =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Eslick Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:54 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 Al, =09 I am about 70 miles SW of DFW at Pecan Plantation (0TX1), and Jason Hutchison also has a rotary-powered RV-6A here. Feel free to visit anytime. Neither of us is an A&P. =09 Bill Eslick On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Al Gietzen wrote: Who do we have in Dallas area installing or flying rotary engine? Anyone with A&P Certification? =20 Thanks, =20 Al =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAE623.65B14280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Static is about 5,000 rpm with approximately 36” MP.

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, = 2010 10:49 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

"Remember Bob's Mustang II is "Turbo Boosted" = !!....."

Ahh, that would explain it.  What was the manifold pressure at that = RPM Bob?

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> = wrote:

Remember Bob's Mustang II is "Turbo Boosted" !!.................

--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold


 

-------------- = Original message from Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>: --------------

5000 is respectable with that prop.   I got 5200 static but = with a 68 - 71 prop & 2.176 drive.

If yours is really a 68 - 88 prop, you can be proud of that 5000.

Tracy Crook

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Rogers, Bob = J. <BRogers@fdic.gov> wrote:

Static is about 5,000 engine rpm with a 2.17 = redrive.

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill = Bradburry
Sent: Monday, April 26, = 2010 11:04 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

Bob,

They claim that the prop loses 4” of pitch at take = off.  That would give you a 68 X 80 during static runup.  What static rpm do = you get when you do the runup?  Do you have the 2.17 or the 2.85 ratio = drive?

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Rogers, Bob J.
Sent: Monday, April 26, = 2010 11:06 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

The prop is a Prince P-tip composite propeller. 68” = diameter x 84” pitch.  See http://princeaircraft.com/=

 

Bob R

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill = Bradburry
Sent: Friday, April 23, = 2010 10:28 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

That really makes an aerodynamic installation!  Needlenose!  By the way, what kind of prop is = that?

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Rogers, Bob J.
Sent: Friday, April 23, = 2010 3:16 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

Bill,

 

There is baffling along the sides of the radiator and oil = cooler that cause all air entering the nose bowl openings to pass through the = radiator and oil cooler (instead of around them) before it exits the bottom, = where a large cowl flap regulates the amount of air flowing through the engine compartment.  See the attached pictures.  The oil cooler is at = the top of the radiator.  Initially, my oil got too hot at high power settings, so I added a second Mazda 13B oil cooler (in series) and = placed it right in front of the radiator.  It worked, and the oil temps are = now about 10 degrees cooler than the water.  I keep the water temp at = about 180 degrees F most of the time and never more than 200 degrees = F.

 

The plane flies beautifully and is currently being = painted.  Stay tuned for pictures of the finished = project.

 

 

Bob J. Rogers

Mustang II

N62BT

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill = Bradburry
Sent: Wednesday, April = 21, 2010 5:58 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

Bob,

I noticed that you have the radiator mounted at an angle = behind the engine.  Tell me again how you are ducted to and from the = rad?  What about the oil cooler?  Where is it and how is it ducted.  What = about any cooling issues?  How is your plane flying now that it has been = a year?

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Rogers, Bob J.
Sent: Wednesday, April = 21, 2010 3:16 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

I am the guy in McKinney.  See http://www.eaa1246.org/projectsnplanesdisplay.asp?id=3D= 10 and http://www.eaa1246.org/videodisplay.asp?id=3D36

I am not an A&P.

 

Bob Rogers

Mustang II

N62BT

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan = Winberry
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, = 2010 12:57 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

There’s also a guy in McKinney.  I can’t remember his name, but you could find it on the EAA = website.

Bryan

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill = Eslick
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, = 2010 1:54 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area

 

Al,

I am about 70 miles SW of DFW at Pecan Plantation (0TX1), and Jason = Hutchison also has a rotary-powered RV-6A here.  Feel free to visit = anytime.  Neither of us is an A&P.

Bill Eslick

On = Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> = wrote:

Who do we have in Dallas area installing or flying rotary engine? Anyone with A&P = Certification?

 

Thanks,=

 

Al

 

 

 

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