Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #51023
From: Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
Sender: <rwstracy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: getting lost in the tuning process
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:12:32 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Bill,   see answers below each question.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

You certainly have it right about the better understanding part!  :>)

So, since it has no effect, why, in step 1, do you say, “with the engine running below the staging point, select mode 6 and turn the program knob slightly to the left of the 12:00 oclock position and press the program store switch”???

Is this some kind of arming step??


Context is everything.  That was just an example, not something that I wanted you to blindly follow.   Which way you turn the knob depends on the condition on YOUR engine that you are trying to correct.  And this is a prepatory step because it WILL affect things when you advance the throttle above the staging point, which is the next step.  You then check the results 
 

The mixture is really rich before I start this step.  I have the mixture control knob at probably 9:00 oclock on both sides of 15” of map.  Is this going to have an effect on that?  Or is it just in case the mixture changes when you go from below 15 to above 15?

Again, the exact order you do things in will depend on the starting point on your installation. No two are alike so I can't possibly write an exact procedure for every situation.  That's why it is important to get a basic understanding of the various modes before you start.  

In this situation (way rich below and above the staging point) you should have roughly fixed the mixture with Mode 3 at high throttle (24 - 28" MP) then Mode 2 at minimum MP throttle (usually a high idle) before doing Mode 6.  If low & high throttle are fairly close at default settings, then start with Mode 6. 
 

With the 4 yellow injectors, where do you recommend the staging point be set?  I have it set now at 15 mostly so I can do stuff like this without running at high power and causing ground cooling problems.  If I get every thing set and then later change the staging point, will this cause a need for a do over? 

15 is too low.   I used to recommend 16 - 17 inches but I've gradually upped that to around 19 - 20.
And yes, if you change the staging point you may very well have to do a lot of things over.
 

 

I will clear and start over.  When would be a good time to call if need be?


My schedule is highly variable but you can try most any time between 09:00 and 20:00 eastern. 

Thanks for the response that helps to clear it up.

Always glad to help Bill.

Tracy
 

By the way, to those carb guys, this is a little confusing, but no way bad enough to justify going with a carburetor!!!

 

Bill B

 

 

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:17 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: getting lost in the tuning process

 

"Next is Secondary Injector Differential adjustment, Mode 6.  First I cleared the large secondary mode.  Then I tried to get the mixture mid range at <14”. Then I tried to get the mixture mid range at <14”.  This required a lot of leaning on the mixture knob.  Same for above 16”.  So I turned the program knob to the right and hit store several times. "

I think you need to get a better understanding of how the various modes work and what the direction of change will be.  If you need the mixture to be Leaner, why would you turn the Program knob RIGHT?   (Right = RICH, Left = LEAN)

Also note that Mode 6 will have NO effect on the mixture if you are below the staging point (which you no doubt were at a MP of 14")  It only affects the mixture above the staging point, ie, when the SECONDARIES are on.

Next, hitting the Store button multiple times will have no effect in Mode 6 unless you CHANGE the position of the program knob before you hit Store.

Tracy





On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I was working on tuning today and I seem to be getting lost. 

I have the Renesis and I recently changed my injectors out from the Red/Blue to all 4 yellow.  These are larger than the Red primary, but smaller than the blue secondary.  The total flow is close to the same for both.

First thing I did was check fuel injector flow rate, Mode 3.  Between 22 and 26” of manifold pressure that they maintained good mixture with the mixture knob in the center.  So far, so good.

Next is Secondary Injector Differential adjustment, Mode 6.  First I cleared the large secondary mode.  Then I tried to get the mixture mid range at <14”.  This required a lot of leaning on the mixture knob.  Same for above 16”.  So I turned the program knob to the right and hit store several times.  Soon I could move the manifold pressure back and forth over the staging point and the engine ran smoothly.

 

But then I found that I could only run the engine at high power with the mixture knob all the way lean!???  Did I do something wrong?  How did this happen?

 

I think I am lost.  I don’t really understand what I am trying to accomplish with the mode 6, and when I ever get to mode 2, I am going to really be up the understanding creek.

 

Anyone who would like to enlighten me would be appreciated.

 

My current plan is to clear it out and start over from the beginning again tomorrow.

 

Tracy’s instructions kind of make me think that he is expecting the mixture to go rich.  My problem is that it is rich to begin with and doesn’t seem to really change that much.

 

Thanks for the assistance!

 

Bill B

 


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