Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48131
From: Mike Wills <rv-4mike@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: cockpit soundproofing
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:10:33 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thanks Mark and Tracy for the info. I'll check out the foam.
 
Charlie,
 
 My 6A had minimal interior upholstery, my -4 has none except seat cushions. The 6A was a little drafty and a little noisy, but not all that bad. The -4 canopy isnt leak free by any means, but seals way better than the 6A. In the 6A my old Lightspeed 20K ANR headset worked fine but in the -4 with the radio volume cranked all the way up I have trouble making out radio calls. The -4 is WAYYYY louder than the 6A was. The Lightspeed Zulu I borrowed a couple of weeks ago was better, but I could still use more.
 
 My muffler fairs into the cowl pretty well. I'd guess that it would be pretty tough to come up with a better aerodynamic solution for the muffler than what I have now. Extending the tailpipe  is something I'm considering. Maybe not the best choice for aesthetics, but if it helps its probably worth it.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: cockpit soundproofing

> Agreed. The extension idea was to just extend the pipes so the ends are
> behind the cockpit. I think that Tracy actually had something like that
> for a while & mentioned that it made the cockpit quieter.
>
> I have no proof, but I suspect that turning the pipes down can, in some
> situations, actually add noise & heat to the floorboards due to the
> induced turbulence whipping the exhaust back against the floor & also
> causing drumming on the floor. My Lyc powered RV-4 has downturned pipes,
> & the floor is so hot I'm pretty sure I could cook pancakes on it.
>
> Mike, Since you've flown RV's for a while, you may already be aware of
> this; a lot of the higher frequency noise can be minimized in the
> cockpit by just sealing up all the air leaks into the cockpit. The 1st
> -4 that I owned was painful, even with a Lyc. Sealing up the air leaks
> around the canopy made it easily tolerable, even with passive headsets.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie
>
> Mark Steitle wrote:
>> Charlie,
>> 
>> You're correct, turning the pipe down does add drag, but so does
>> hanging a big square suitcase shaped box under the fuse.  It just
>> depends on how badly you want to quiet things down.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Charlie England
>> <
ceengland@bellsouth.net <mailto:ceengland@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Mark Steitle wrote:
>>
>>         Mike,
>>          My first line of defense against the noise is an ANR headset.
>>          That's a given.
>>          I purchased some black foam from ACS that I installed on the
>>         interior walls and floor.  From what I've read a lot of the
>>         noise comes in through the firewall and windows.  Not much you
>>         can do about the windows, but it seems that a generous amount
>>         of soundproofing on the firewall will help the most.  Lastly,
>>         you can turn the exhaust down so that it is directed away from
>>         the occupants?  Or, run it back behind the pax, and fly faster
>>         than the speed of sound so it can't catch up to you.  Mark S.
>>
>>         On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Mike Wills <
rv-4mike@cox.net
>>         <mailto:rv-4mike@cox.net> <mailto:rv-4mike@cox.net
>>         <mailto:rv-4mike@cox.net>>> wrote:
>>
>>            I asked a few days ago and got no replies. Since things are
>>         a bit
>>            slow on the list now I'll try again. Anyone have any
>>            recommendations for a decent soundproofing material that I
>>         can add
>>            to my firewall and floorboards to tame this racket? Maybe
>>         the rest
>>            of the world will have to deal with the noise, but at least
>>         I can
>>            try to make it a little more pleasant for me.
>>                Mike Wills
>>            RV-4 N144MW
>>
>>
>>     Running it back past the occupants can actually be effective.
>>     Turning it down adds drag.
>>
>>     I've often wondered why no one has tried carrying the pipes down
>>     several inches below the fuselage before turning them aft, and
>>     installing streamline inserts aft of the downpipes & between the
>>     fuselage bottom & the horizontal run of pipe, to get smooth air
>>     between the fuselage & the now-parallel exhaust stream.
>>
>>     Charlie
>>
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