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Christopher Barber, JD Badge 330 Bellaire Police Department 5110 Jessamine Bellaire, Texas 77401 =20 713-668-0487 713-662-8289 fax =20 CBarber@BellairePolice.com ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Ed Anderson Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 2:49 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Swirl pots/box fans Ah, but, Chris, don't you recall that Confucius says "..Knowledge shall = set you free.. but, it won't necessarily help you cool any better" Besides, it's the only way we engineers have of getting back at lawyers {= :>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com =20 http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris Barber Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:34 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Swirl pots/box fans Oh Gawd....numbers and symbols in formula's.....my brain just froze. Hec= k, if I could do calculations, I would have become an engineer.....not an attorney/cop. Hmmmm, seems I can do percentage of award/fee stuff though . All the best, Chris Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD Badge 330 Bellaire Police Department 5110 Jessamine Bellaire, Texas 77401 713-668-0487 713-662-8289 fax CBarber@BellairePolice.com ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Ed Anderson Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 2:22 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Swirl pots/box fans Here is a formula for a centrifugal pump that clearly? Shows that Tracy a= nd Lynn are correct Energy Usage The energy usage in a pumping installation is determined by the flow required, the height lifted and the length and characteristics of the pipeline. The power required to drive a pump (Pi), is defined simply usin= g SI units by: by: P_i=3D \cfrac{\rho\ g\ H\ Q}{\eta} where: Pi is the input power required (W) ? is the fluid density (kg/m3) g is the gravitational constant (9.81 m/s2) H is the energy Head added to the flow (m) Q is the flow rate (m3/s) ? is the efficiency of the pump plant as a decimal One can see that if Q the flow rate becomes zero (by blocking the exit) t= hen the power required to drive the pump Pi also becomes zero. So block the pump and lower the flow and the power required drops - or with the same power, the pump can spin faster. There is always some flow around the va= nes of a centrifugal pump in reality, so the power does not cause the pump to spin to infinity rpm but it equalizes at a higher rpm than when considera= ble (unblocked) flow is the condition. Is this fun or what? Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Hanover Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:55 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Swirl pots/box fans NO! I meant exactly what I wrote. It is admittedly counter-intuitive bu= t true none the less. Did you attempt to prove it to yourself with the suggested test? Only takes a few seconds :>) Tracy On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Jeff Luckey wrote= : Tracy, When a box fan falls over onto its suction side, it revs up as the work i= t is performing drops off to near zero.....................same idea. Lynn E. 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