X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.104] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3781700 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:46:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.104; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-146-122-89.mco.bellsouth.net[72.146.122.89]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20090726204526H0400esea3e>; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:45:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [72.146.122.89] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <793B8497763A490C9766BB5A500B6EE8@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA0E10.7C42D220" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoOL04ZQZKPMuUFT1yvdz33mYoWVgAAgrgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA0E10.7C42D220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Even if the wire was not completely separated, it was probably only connected by a couple of strands and as it moved (vibrated?) maybe some of the other strands made contact from time to time causing no telling what kind of intermittent effects. Lucky for you, it finally fell apart and you found it. Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris Barber Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:26 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... Perhaps the cause of many problems, however, the broken wire was NOT broken two weeks ago when I rewired the ECU and got it running so well. I just happened to notice it right off yesterday (gee, what are the odds of me finding something on the first thing I happened to check. Guessin' that will be the last time). I had to walk away yesterday, take a breath and focused on some micro fill and sanding I needed to do. I at least FELT a bit productive in spite of the demoralizing impact. I hate the idea of sending the unit back to Tracy again. He may have had it more than I have. I will play with the sanding stuff tonight and get back to the engine directly. I will be checking the MAP table first, but the NOP is what really concerns/bothers me. I am guessing the bad ground could have been the cause, however, the NOP did NOT go away after I found the bad ground. I fear it may have trashed my serial circuit again. Donno, just speculation at this point. Trying to keep a stiff upper lip All the best, Chris Houston Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD Badge 330 Bellaire Police Department 5110 Jessamine Bellaire, Texas 77401 713-668-0487 713-662-8289 fax CBarber@BellairePolice.com _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Bill Bradburry Sent: Sun 7/26/2009 2:03 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... Chris, I would be surprised if you didn't just solve a whole passel of problems with your EC-2. There is not telling what that cut ground connection was doing over the past. High resistance, intermittent, open..who knows. Fixing this should make your EC-2 much more solid. Bill B -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Barber Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... Thanks guys. I wrote NOS...course, I meant NOP. Hmmm, Al, I considered a second ground but was concerned that it may cause a problem I would be unaware of. Another testament to my ignorance, but learning and better everyday. I shall see what I can do. I think I may have over crimped this particular connector. When I examined it, it seemed more cut than crimped. Donno what caused that. I use a ratchet crimper and have not had problems before, however, most of my previous crimps were 20 gage and not 16, so I will check the tool and my process. There was no strain on this particular wire. It is the very short ground Tracy recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 inches. I relocated my ECU to accommodate this instruction. All the best, Chris Houston Bob White wrote: > I agree, also if the wire can vibrate, do something to restrain it > better. > > Bob W. > > On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500 > Dave wrote: > > >> Sounds like some strain relief is in order. >> >> Al Wick wrote: >> >>> Oem solution for broken wire is brilliant. They use more than one >>> wire for both ground and power. Huge improvement in reliability. >>> >>> -al wick >>> >>> >>> I looked at the wires to the ECU and all was secure, EXCEPT, I >>> notice my >>> main (16gage) ground wire broke at the connector at the ECU. >>> Repaired >>> the wire. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone at 713-662-8132 and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA0E10.7C42D220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Chris,

Even if the wire was not completely separated, it was probably = only connected by a couple of strands and as it moved (vibrated?) maybe some = of the other strands made contact from time to time causing no telling what = kind of intermittent effects.  Lucky for you, it finally fell apart and you = found it.

Bill B 

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris Barber
Sent: Sunday, July 26, = 2009 4:26 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Just livid.....

Perhaps the cause of many = problems, however, the broken wire was NOT broken two weeks ago when I rewired the = ECU and got it running so well.  I just happened to notice it right off yesterday (gee, what are the odds of me finding something on the first = thing I happened to check.  Guessin' that will be the last = time<g>).

 

I had to walk away yesterday, take a = breath and focused on some micro fill and sanding I needed to do. I at least FELT a = bit productive in spite of the demoralizing impact.  I hate the idea of sending the unit back to Tracy again.  He may have had it more than I = have.

 

I will play with the sanding stuff tonight and get = back to the engine directly.  I will be checking the MAP table first, but = the NOP is what really concerns/bothers me.  I am guessing the bad ground = could have been the cause, however, the NOP did NOT go away after I found the = bad ground.  I fear it may have trashed my serial circuit again.  = Donno, just speculation at this point. <sigh> Trying to keep a stiff = upper lip <g>

 

All the best,

 

Chris

Houston

 

Cpl. Christopher Barber, = JD

Badge 330

Bellaire Police = Department

5110 Jessamine

Bellaire, Texas 77401

 

713-668-0487

713-662-8289 fax

 

CBarber@BellairePolice.com

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Sun 7/26/2009 2:03 = PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Just livid.....

Chris,
I would be surprised if you didn't just solve a whole passel of = problems
with your EC-2.  There is not telling what that cut ground = connection was
doing over the past.  High resistance, intermittent, open..who = knows.
Fixing this should make your EC-2 much more solid.
Bill B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net] On
Behalf Of Christopher Barber
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Thanks guys. I wrote NOS...course, I meant NOP.

Hmmm, Al, I considered a second ground but was concerned that it may = cause a
problem I would be unaware of.  Another testament to my ignorance, = but
learning and better everyday.  I shall see what I can do.

I think I may have over crimped this particular connector.  When I examined
it, it seemed more cut than crimped.  Donno what caused = that. 
I use a ratchet crimper and have not had problems before, however, most = of
my previous crimps were 20 gage and not 16, so I will check the tool and = my
process.

There was no strain on this particular wire.  It is the very short = ground
Tracy recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 inches.  I relocated my ECU = to
accommodate this instruction.

<sigh>

All the best,

Chris
Houston

Bob White wrote:
> I agree, also if the wire can vibrate, do something to restrain = it
> better.
>
> Bob W.
>
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500
> Dave <david.staten@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>> Sounds like some strain relief is in order.
>>
>> Al Wick wrote:
>>    
>>> Oem solution for broken wire is brilliant. They use more = than one
>>> wire for both ground and power. Huge improvement in = reliability.
>>> 
>>> -al wick
>>>
>>>
>>>     I looked at the wires to the ECU = and all was secure, EXCEPT, I
>>>     notice my
>>>     main (16gage) ground wire broke at = the connector at the ECU.
>>>     Repaired
>>>     the wire.
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>      
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