X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from securemail.ever-tek.com ([64.129.170.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3781686 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:29:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@bellairepolice.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:26:10 -0500 From: "Chris Barber" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" , "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... Thread-Index: AcoOKizCkYDJBB5yRsGweh2mzjxMGQABSOfK References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA0E2F.A89E3DB8" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0E2F.A89E3DB8 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, =20 That is correct, there was NO strain on the wire. I think I was a bad cri= mp. It did not pull out, it broke right at the bottom of the connector. = I gotta check my method and tool on the larger wire. I have never seen = the pattern on any of my other crimps. =20 All the best, =20 Chris =20 Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD Badge 330 Bellaire Police Department 5110 Jessamine Bellaire, Texas 77401 =20 713-668-0487 713-662-8289 fax =20 CBarber@BellairePolice.com ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Ed Anderson Sent: Sun 7/26/2009 2:48 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... Chris, I presume you meant there was no strain on the wire - just because it is short does NOT mean there is no strain on it. In fact, a short length of wire (particularly if too short) can put tremendous strain on connectors,= so length has little to nothing to do with the wire being under strain. A short(tight) wire is also more subject to vibration fatigue as it is le= ss likely to have much damping to vibrations. As several have said, this just MIGHT also be the solution to some of you= r EC2 problems. Let's hope it is. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com =20 http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Barber Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... Thanks guys. I wrote NOS...course, I meant NOP. Hmmm, Al, I considered a second ground but was concerned that it may cause a problem I would be unaware of. Another testament to my ignorance, but learning and better everyday. I shall see what I can do. I think I may have over crimped this particular connector. When I examined it, it seemed more cut than crimped. Donno what caused that.=20 I use a ratchet crimper and have not had problems before, however, most of my previous crimps were 20 gage and not 16, so I will check the tool and my process. There was no strain on this particular wire. It is the very short ground Tracy recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 inches. I relocated my ECU to accommodate this instruction. All the best, Chris Houston Bob White wrote: > I agree, also if the wire can vibrate, do something to restrain it > better. > > Bob W. > > On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500 > Dave wrote: > > =20 >> Sounds like some strain relief is in order. >> >> Al Wick wrote: >> =20 >>> Oem solution for broken wire is brilliant. They use more than one wir= e >>> for both ground and power. Huge improvement in reliability. >>>=20 >>> -al wick >>> >>> >>> I looked at the wires to the ECU and all was secure, EXCEPT, I >>> notice my >>> main (16gage) ground wire broke at the connector at the ECU. >>> Repaired >>> the wire. >>> >>> =20 >>> >>> =20 >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> =20 > > > =20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com =20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com =20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Lis= t.html Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e= -mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legal= ly privileged. 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Chris,=

I presume you meant there was no strain on the wire - just becaus= e it is
short does NOT mean there is no strain on it.  In fact, a= short length of
wire (particularly if too short) can put tremendous s= train on connectors, so
length has little to nothing to do with the wi= re being under strain.

A short(tight) wire is also more subject to= vibration fatigue as it is less
likely to have much damping to vibrat= ions.

As several have said, this just MIGHT also be the solution t= o some of your
EC2 problems.  Let's hope it is.

Ed

= Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered

Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com

= http://www.andersonee.com

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html

http://www.flyrotary.com/

http://member= s.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.rotaryaviation.= com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm


-----Original Message-----
Fr= om: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Christopher = Barber
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Rotary motors in air= craft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Thanks guys. I w= rote NOS...course, I meant NOP.

Hmmm, Al, I considered a second gr= ound but was concerned that it may
cause a problem I would be unaware = of.  Another testament to my
ignorance, but learning and better e= veryday.  I shall see what I can do.

I think I may have over = crimped this particular connector.  When I
examined it, it seemed= more cut than crimped.  Donno what caused that. 
I use a ra= tchet crimper and have not had problems before, however, most
of my pr= evious crimps were 20 gage and not 16, so I will check the tool
and my= process.

There was no strain on this particular wire.  It is= the very short
ground Tracy recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 in= ches.  I relocated
my ECU to accommodate this instruction.
<sigh>

All the best,

Chris
Houston

Bob Whi= te wrote:
> I agree, also if the wire can vibrate, do something to = restrain it
> better.
>
> Bob W.
>
> On Sat= , 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500
> Dave <david.staten@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
>  
>> Sounds like some strain re= lief is in order.
>>
>> Al Wick wrote:
>> = ;   
>>> Oem solution for broken wire is brill= iant. They use more than one wire
>>> for both ground and pow= er. Huge improvement in reliability.
>>> 
>>>= ; -al wick
>>>
>>>
>>>  &nb= sp;  I looked at the wires to the ECU and all was secure, EXCEPT, I<= BR>>>>     notice my
>>> &n= bsp;   main (16gage) ground wire broke at the connector at the = ECU.
>>>     Repaired
>>>&nbs= p;    the wire.
>>>
>>>  = ;   
>>>
>>>   &nbs= p;  
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