X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f206.google.com ([209.85.220.206] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3685887 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:41:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.206; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by fxm2 with SMTP id 2so608268fxm.19 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/N2MEym257VC0LV7jmqHKbITw19ZnfItKuy1PtGJ0ZQ=; b=s4DDaV1dS9izR45xGatjYhIEJ6GNdfCfsmsJcEQ82kQWCtPNkU7fuZWQdjZGnql1vP y6yIey1kPZ1liYze8w50isKDGEfHv+Y4/lhd3tQdf+2LIfeaxoQAZ+Fy+il/v+gbYQnl r9d0MMbpeW/RR5Lus4RljNIPXgbsTMcqPep6k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uPORdVufWZnkbolO7S7Z+B9OgqDN8vD0By7FonOcvAz4DgudqyK2sGW68mfPgIkAMf c8hcphwF8Rx+LNd+4HQU8XKSWK8JvPulAqCtUQcLAl1OCv/rh3U6IFJQP+9ruUauwQ7+ nVHByzSigmaQoGpoms5wlwjfIrsO9+9S6+GHI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.71.65 with SMTP id g1mr425062bkj.27.1245264022458; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:40:22 -0500 Message-ID: <5cf132c0906171140s2c5a2b3od8f55bbc43ba0d87@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: MotionX-GPS as a flight instrument? From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502ddc6b5d0ce046c8f9f3c --00504502ddc6b5d0ce046c8f9f3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, The latest iPhone, called the 3G-S, is due out in two days (6/19/09). They run $199 (16Gb) and $299 (32Gb). Once it is available, you should be able to get the older 3G iPhone for less than $100 for the 16Gb and the 8Gb mode= l for even less. The idea was that anyone with an iPhone could get this app for $2.99. Either way, not all that costly in the A/C world. Another cool app is the one promoted by AOPA called ForeFlight Mobile 2.3. (http://www.foreflight.com/). It provides aviation weather (doppler and satellite), airport facility directory & flight plan filing with TFRs, TAFs= , METARs & NOTAMs. And it all fits in your shirt pocket. It is more costly at $75, but that is a one time cost with no monthly fee. Well worth the cost in my opinion. Mark S. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jeff Whaley wrote: > David, I wouldn=92t consider an iPhone as a primary GPS =85 but it could= be > used as backup =85 after landing, turn it back into a cell phone and clos= e > flight plan. > > Jeff > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *David Moyer > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:36 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: MotionX-GPS as a flight instrument? > > > > Also check out Checklist Lite, also free. I use the GPS Motion X lite whe= n > out running/mountain biking, and have tried it in the car. Seems to be > pretty accurate. I haven't tried it in the plane yet. My experience with = the > GPS in the iPhone isn't very accurate compared to my Garmin in the car. > Altitude is off by a factor of at least 50 ft and as much as 150 ft at ti= mes > when not tracking all satellites in iHUD. Ground position seems to be off= by > as much as 50 ft approximately. The iphone and any applications shouldn't= be > used for any critical operations. Now the new iPhone with the built in > digital compass will make it a bit more accurate, but still not going to = be > my choice for a navigation/flight instrument. > > David Moyer > > > > > > Bob Tilley wrote: > > Jeff, > > > > The new one is $99. Other programs to check out are AOPA airports, iHud, > Flightplan, oh and X-Plane. > > > > > > Bob Tilley > > Albany, Ga > > > > On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Jeff Whaley wrote: > > > > GPS in a phone as a flight instrument =85 not off-topic at all. > > The software is $2.99 =85 how much is an iPhone? > > I don=92t have a cell phone yet, but when flying increases I=92ll need on= e =85 > the iPhone may be a good choice. > > BTW, I=92ve heard of other PDAs that people use as GPS devices. > > Jeff > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] *On Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:58 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] MotionX-GPS as a flight instrument? > > > > I know this is off topic and a bit geeky, but I was wondering if anyone > with an iPhone has tried the MotionX-GPS application to track their > flights? It was designed for tracking workouts, like for mountain biking > and jogging. But I couldn't help but wonder how it would work as a poor > man's GPS. The basic "LITE" app is free, full-featured app is only $2.99 > (almost free). One user comments that it works better than his $500 GPS. > Is this possible? > > > > I just downloaded it and plan to try it out this weekend. Maybe it won't > even work at altitude, but since it gets its signals from GPS > satellites, maybe it will surprise me. > > > > See http://gps.motionx.com/overview/ Check out the picture of the iphone > mounted on the handlebars of the mountain bike, with the MotionX app > running. Now picture your instrument panel with the same mount. Pretty > cool, and very cost effective, assuming you already have an iPhone. > > > > Mark S. > > > > > > > --00504502ddc6b5d0ce046c8f9f3c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,
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The latest iPhone, called the 3G-S, is due out in two days (6/19/09).= =A0 They run $199 (16Gb) and $299 (32Gb).=A0 Once it is available, you shou= ld be able to get the older 3G iPhone for less than $100 for the 16Gb and t= he 8Gb model for even less.=A0
=A0
The idea was that anyone with an iPhone could get this app for $2.99.= =A0 Either way, not all that costly in the A/C world.
=A0
Mark S.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacas= t.com> wrote:

David, I wouldn=92t cons= ider an iPhone as a primary GPS =85 but it could be used as backup =85 afte= r landing, turn it back into a cell phone and close flight plan.

Jeff

=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft= [mailto:f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:36 PM
To: Rotary motors = in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: MotionX-GPS as a flight inst= rument?

=A0

Also check out Checklist Lite, also free. I use the GPS Motion X lite wh= en out running/mountain biking, and have tried it in the car. Seems to be p= retty accurate. I haven't tried it in the plane yet. My experience with= the GPS in the iPhone isn't very accurate compared to my Garmin in the= car. Altitude is off by a factor of at least 50 ft and as much as 150 ft a= t times when not tracking all satellites in iHUD. Ground position seems to = be off by as much as 50 ft approximately. The iphone and any applications s= houldn't be used for any critical operations. Now the new iPhone with t= he built in digital compass will make it a bit more accurate, but still not= going to be my choice for a navigation/flight instrument.

David Moyer
=A0



Bob Tilley wrote:

Jeff,

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The new one is $99. =A0Other programs to check out are AOPA airports, iH= ud, Flightplan, oh and X-Plane. =A0

=A0

=A0

Bob Tilley

Albany, Ga

=A0

On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Jeff Whaley wrote:



GPS in a phone as a flig= ht instrument =85 not off-topic at all.

The software is $2.99 = =85 how much is an iPhone?

I don=92t have a cell ph= one yet, but when flying increases I=92ll need one =85 the iPhone may be a = good choice.

BTW, I=92ve heard of oth= er PDAs that people use as GPS devices.

Jeff

=A0

From:=A0Rotary mo= tors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=A0On Behalf= Of=A0Mark Steitle
Sent:=A0Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:58 AM
To:= =A0Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:=A0[FlyRotary] MotionX-GPS as a flight instrument?

=A0

I know this is off topic and a bit geeky, but I was wondering if anyone = with an iPhone=A0has tried=A0the MotionX-GPS application to track their fli= ghts?=A0 It was designed for tracking workouts, like for mountain biking an= d jogging.=A0 But I couldn't help but wonder how it would work as a poo= r man's GPS.=A0=A0The basic "LITE"=A0app is free, full-featur= ed app is only $2.99 (almost free).=A0=A0One user comments that it works be= tter than his $500 GPS.=A0 Is this possible?

=A0

I just downloaded it and=A0plan to=A0try it out this weekend.=A0 Maybe i= t won't even work at altitude, but=A0since it gets its=A0signals from G= PS satellites,=A0maybe it will surprise me.=A0

=A0

See=A0http://gps.motionx.com/overview/=A0 Check out the picture o= f the iphone mounted on the handlebars of the mountain bike, with the Motio= nX app running.=A0 Now picture your instrument panel with the same mount.= =A0 Pretty cool, and very cost effective, assuming you already have an iPho= ne.=A0

=A0

Mark S.

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